No.3603
静謐の天央神・アメノミナカヌシ
 God / Physical
7 ★
MP 50000 Cost 40
 LvHPATKRCVWeightSellExp
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 *1 Experience gain bonus from same element
 *2 Weighted Stat: HP / 10 + ATK / 5 + RCV / 3
Change all orbs to Water, Light & Heart orbs. Change own attribute to Light for 3 turns.
CD: 14 Turns ( 9 Turns at Lv.6 )
This card can be used as assist.
Light attribute cards ATK x6. Water attribute cards RCV x2. ATK x1.5 when simultaneously clearing 5 connected Light orbs. ATK x0.5 for each additional orb, up to ATK x3 at 8 connected orb.
Skill Up Cards
Assist Bonus Stat
HP +473 ATK +99 RCV +15 ( Max Lv )
HP +572 ATK +124 RCV +60 ( Max Lv & +297 )
Applicable Killer Latents
Awoken Skills
Evolution
Lv50
Ultimate Evolution
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Drop Locations for #3603
This card can be obtained by:
- Evolution from Amenominakanushi
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By Sonofyin 1 year ago ( 9.6.3 ) 
Not sure why this unit is rated so low. The art is pretty cool imo but that's all about taste so I won't bother mentioning it again.

The awakenings are a bit lacking but they aren't necessarily flawed. SB, SBR, TE, Bind rcv and unbindable are decent, well-balanced awakenings. Could use some light rows but the sub pool for light rows is plentiful. The bind rcv saves an active on the team, meaning there is no need for a bind rcv active. SBR is there so no shortage.

The active is full board changer with decent cool down and heart orbs. It also changes her main att to give more dmg. I can only sing it praise.

Leader skill is grt. Like Aizen, glass cannon but like Aizen, built for farming not tanking. While Aizen has higher atk multiplier with 2 crosses, this unit can hit pretty hard with enough rows. And they both do ridiculous dmg as is. The only problem is finding L/B subs with rows. Awoken venus, awoken thor, one of the Apollo ults are some that come to mind. I would argue that the rcv isn't really a big deal tho. For my Aizen team, two of my subs aren't D/B and I still heal more than enough with one heart match.

This unit is GFE 6* so it'll be rare to drop, which is fair given how useful i would find her/him(?). As a lead and sub, there are many uses for this unit. Full board change with hearts+bind rcv? Awesome :D

Ppl compare this unit to Aizen but it's not as if these two units are easy to roll. Aizen may be better with his awakenings and LS but he can only be acquired during the Bleach collab. This unit can be dropped year round during GF so it being slightly inferior is fair. They also focus on different attributes and therefore different teams. The point being, it's not as if Aizen is so common that he makes this unit completely obsolete and vice-versa. They aren't interchangable. Ppl would be lucky just getting one of the two and having both would be nothing to complain about.

Am I missing something? Some enormous flaw I somehow haven't seen? Cuz even tho this unit is a lot like Aizen, I'd still love to have it.
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fource 1 year ago ( 11.1.1 ) 
I don't think it's low. It's just adjusted for the rest of the meta. What dungeon can this card clear that others can't? If cards like RaDra, Diablos, DAth, etc are 10/10, wouldn't you agree taht this card deserves an 8.5? It's considerably worse.
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Sonofyin in reply to fource 1 year ago ( 11.1.1 ) 
It was near a 7 I think when I made the comment. I'd say it's in a better place at 8.5 now.

Edit-
Also the ratings don't necessarily work in direct correlation with the meta. Otherwise art wouldn't be taken into account. Look at Odin dragon and Yomi Dragon, their ults ratings suffered bc of their art. The meta does have its place in ratings of course, it's just not the only determining factor. Mainly bc the meta takes into account too many variables to confine into a simple number.

Additionally, not every team is ideal for all content or purposes in gameplay. I would find Amen the most useful as a farm leader. Pop an active for creating a bunch of light orbs on every floor and abuse Amen's rows. The Amen team would clear a dungeon faster with less effort than Dathena and Ra dragon. It's why Aizen is so good. If this example isn't clear enough, take Ganesha's LS of increasing exp and gold. Should his leaderskill be rated terribly bc it cannot compete with the meta? Everything has a scenario in which it shines. Just bc it doesn't shine in end game content doesn't mean it deserves a low rating.

Ratings in general are unreliable bc not everyone rates things objectively or within the same criteria. While u would presumably rate in comparison to the meta, I would rate based on the ideal purpose of the unit and how well it performs. For instance, Fujin's active is terrible bc of how few enemies it's effective against. But the active has a high rating bc of how well it performs under those circumstances.

The only reason why I thought it was odd for Amen's rating to be so low was bc usually units of around a 7 rating have some obvious flaw or are just underwhelming. It was out of character for how ppl rate on this site, at least in my experience. But again ratings are unreliable.

I would like to quote 5)(oukon from a comment he or she made on an Eldritch page...Azathoth? He or she said something along the lines of trusting ur own rating, ur own judgement. It really is the only rating that counts.
Last edited by Sonofyin 1 year ago ( 11.1.1 )
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By gargoyle 1 year ago ( 11.1 ) 
He pairs well with Arondight, the new brave who has the same general LS but gives x1,5 HP instead of RCV.
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By SA_Upc 1 year ago ( 11.1.1 ) 
Yet another name update for Ameno today, from God at the Center of the Universe, Amenominakanushi to Serene Primordial Divinity, Amenominakanushi
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By kushi<3 1 year ago ( 9.6.3 ) 
So she's like Aizen but better?
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secret 1 year ago ( 11.0.2 ) 
This guy can also deal enough damage to trump pretty well anything, and it's easier for him to reach that damage.
He has a better active.
Despite having a smaller sub pool, he also has access to subs with more HP, making his ideal team more durable than Aizen's.

He'll have no problem clearing the same stuff that Aizen can clear, he can clear it more easily, and his best team is a bit tankier to boot.
Definitely at least the same tier as Aizen, but there wouldn't be any practical difference in the results one could produce between the two.
Unless you're fighting one of those 500m HP boss monsters with one of these leaders for some reason, in which case Aizen would be able to deal more damage before dying.
Last edited by secret 1 year ago ( 11.0.2 )
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Kalator in reply to Finalstars 1 year ago ( 9.6.3 ) 
Aizen doesn't take advantage of Row Awakenings Ameno does. I think the comparison is pretty darn close
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Finalstars 1 year ago ( 9.6.3 ) 
Aizen has better damage output (576x with 2 cross) as well Aizen has better awakenings and has a greater sub pool. Stats are worse for this girl too
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Echo12 in reply to Kalator 1 year ago ( 9.6.3 ) 
I wondered how accurate your statement was so I calculated it for Aizen level damage at 2 crosses.

First on a 5x6 board. It can make 1, 2, or 3 rows.
Working with 6 orbs in a row Amen needs a combination of:
30 Row enhance for 1 row of 6 to match. Not possible.
15 Row enhance for 2 rows of 6 to match. 12 orbs total.
10 Row enhance for 3 rows of 6 to match. 18 orbs total.

Now, for damage on a 5x6 board using 8 orbs you can make 1 or 2 rows.
To match Aizen you need:
15 or 16 Row enhance for 1 row with 8 orbs.
8 Row enhance for 2 rows of 8 orbs. 16 total.

On a 7x6 board He really shines.

15 or 16 Row enhance for 1 row with 7 orbs.
8 Row enhance for 2 rows of 7 orbs. 14 total.
5 Row enhance for 3 rows of 7 orbs. 21 total.

Out of curiosity I calculated the damage of 3 rows of 7 with 16 Row enhance and it's 2.26 times more than Aizen at 2 crosses. This of course is on a 7x6 board. But if Aizen does 3 crosses which is possible on a 7x6 board he does 1.7 more times damage than Ameno.

So to conclude, I wouldn't call it close. Ameno does do decent damage but it comes at the price of awoken skills. It needs 8 to keep up with Aizen. Aizen doesn't NEED rows to reach a high multiplier so you can focus on TPA's, Orb enhance, even time. Ameno isn't bad, it's pretty good but if you rank them Ameno is definitely a tier below Aizen.
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Echo12 in reply to secret 1 year ago ( 11.1.1 ) 
Nope still lower tier. His weakness is he is orb hungry. For short dungeons it'll be ok but for long dungeons he will struggle a bit. By comparison Aizen is pretty flexible with dungeon length. Plus slap a +15% Hp badge on him and he'll have 35k hp. Enough for most things. And when it's not, shield.
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Kalator in reply to Echo12 1 year ago ( 9.6.3 ) 
Thanks for mathing that out! You are definitely right, Aizen is still the damage king when it comes to ease of use and content he is viable for. What I really like about Ameno is having two board changers as your leaders which opens your sub pool quite a bit.

Aizen not needing rows on his subs means every row on a sub is a wasted awakening. You wouldn't choose to make those last 6 orbs into a row instead of a cross. TPAs can be good on Aizen when you have exactly 9 orbs, but you can't make 2 crosses and a TPA unless it is skyfall on a regular board. That leaves OEs which are hugely valuable, and one of my favs, but I have a hard time finding good subs packed with OEs since I don't have an Escha.

I don't have the game knowledge to do the damage math on what decent boards would look like for Ameno, but based on my experience with a 10 row Gremory team I imagine this would skate through A1 without batting an eye. With the right subs I could see this as end game viable with all the good Light Row subs out there. Adding one Tifa to the team would really set you off in the right direction.
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Sonofyin in reply to Kalator 1 year ago ( 11.1.1 ) 
Wait...what viable Aizen subs have rows? Are u talking about units like pandora? I guess if there isn't anything better to sub but I've never thought about subbing her on Aizen. If it has rows, it's not on my Aizen team. If I had nothing better, I would have the sense to know that my team isn't ideal with this row sub. That's the same arguement as saying any unit with 2 prong is a waste on an Amen team. Yeah, if I'm making an Amen team im avoiding 2 prong and sticking with rows. That's just common sense lol.

And 9-10 orbs really isn't difficult to find considering that his sub pool floods the board with dark orbs. U have z8 who increases dark orb skyfall. U have Revo Haku as a full board changer. U have 2 Aizens presuming dual leads to create more dark orbs. Revo Haku and z8 both have skill charge with their actives to keep the dark orbs coming. And that's not even counting OE. Plus the dmg output for Dathena and Revo Haku is insane when doing 2 prong, cross and triggering Haku's 7c2x. Cross prong isn't hard to do. And if u need to do 2 crosses and a prong, chances are Aizen would get one shot by a preemptive in a dungeon like that. Same would probably apply for an Amen team. They are glass cannons.

Edit- forgot to mention that u totally can make 2 crosses and a prong btw. And it isnt difficult to set up.
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To compare Amen to Aizen is completely based on how many rows u can stack. And even then the comparison is pretty pointless bc they both do ridiculous dmg anyway. Their applications really don't differ. I think the deciding factor would be whether a dungeon has more light or more dark monsters. Light monsters? Go with Aizen. Dark monsters? Go with Amen. Nothing much else to think about.
Last edited by Sonofyin 1 year ago ( 11.1.1 )
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Sonofyin in reply to secret 1 year ago ( 11.1.1 ) 
Kinda confused as to how it would be easier. I get the higher HP pool but u didn't seem to be referring to that. Setting up 2 crosses or a cross and prong is pretty easy, not all that much harder than setting up a row with orbs tagged on the end. If anything Aizen teams give so much time to move orbs u can afford to ditch the TE badge for 15% HP. Without Yuna, any Amen team I could make would need the 2 TE badge in order to have relatively the same amount of orb movement time as Aizen. If this is what u r referring to, then u are talking about playstyle which is subjective in terms of ease.

If u were talking about how easy it is to hit dmg, im pretty sure they are relatively matched. And u even say that there wouldn't be any real difference in the results between the two. So Idk what u meant by easier.
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RedPyramid in reply to Echo12 10 months ago ( 12.0.3 ) 
But for this one to reach max multiplier, you need 8 orbs, and 6 is usually enough to kill most things. Aizen needs 10 to our Damage this one by multiplier, and more to bypass the rows (I think). The orb hungry one is Aizen.
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By Teliko 1 year ago ( 9.6.3 ) 
I'll make sure my shoe boxes are full of $$$ by the time this hits NA.
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By Shoukon 1 year ago ( 11.0.2 ) 
I just did some reading and know that Amenominakanushi is the very first god in Japanese Mythology.

A rough analogue of "Izanagi and Amenominakanushi" would be "Zeus and Cronus/Gaia".

And, that aside, the gods who existed before Izanagi are all genderless.

Izanagi and Izanami are the 6th and 7th god that came to existence, and they are the first male and female gods in Japan.

Now that means there are 5 genderless gods before this couple, they can potentially form a GFE set of five (can I still call that a pantheon?) just like Ronove and cohorts.
Last edited by Shoukon 1 year ago ( 11.0.2 )
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By Sonofyin 1 year ago ( 11.1.1 ) 
Here are some sub ideas:

Xiu Min- Has a ton of HP and works with light rows. Can be purchased so no rng.

Unwavering Summoner Yuna- One issue I was kind of worried about is the lack of TE. Aizen gives 3 seconds with dual leads and with his wide variety of subs, that can easily go up. But Yuna can help a lot with Amen. She is L/B for rcv bonus and her rcv almost reaches 1000 so pretty darn solid. She has 2 seconds on her so amen can match the 3 seconds. No rows tho.

Awoken Thor- L/B with light rows. He's solid.

Awoken Venus/Revo venus- Both work with light rows. Revo venus may not have the water sub attribute but she has a high rcv anyway. Should be ok.

L/B Apollo ult- He's kinda outdated but his active is good for making light orbs. He has rows but no SBR.

Ilm- light rows and full board change. Has decent rcv. Should be fine.

Ult Raphael- light rows and his active is great. His rcv is good too.

Ars Nova- 5 turn cool down and light enhance.

Awoken DQXQ/ Revo DQXQ-light rows and light/heart orb maker. Can also get rid of poison and jammers by making them water orbs(?) might wrong on that one.

Wu Kong- he has light rows and heart/light making active.

Awoken Baal- 2 light rows gets rid of poison and jammers (I think?)

Vaan- FF collab dude who turns top row and bottom row into fire and light. He has light rows. No SBR.

Saria- light rows, full board change active with hearts. No SBR.

Hopefully this helps anyone building a team. A lot of the board changers break water orbs which could make Amen lose out on dmg if the active isn't up.
Last edited by Sonofyin 1 year ago ( 11.1.1 )
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Chetyre 1 year ago ( 11.1.1 ) 
Surprised you didn't mention Tifa for a sub. She has nearly 6k hp after plusses and comes with 5 rows + 2 time extends. Not to mention her shield can give you some wiggle room with your latents (in terms of tanking preempts).
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Sonofyin in reply to Chetyre 1 year ago ( 11.1.1 ) 
Couldn't remember em all. Just hoping it gets those team building gears working. :)
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By ms puppet 1 year ago ( 9.6.3 ) 
What the everloving heck is that idol thing behind her it kinda freaks me out
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Shoukon 1 year ago ( 9.6.3 ) 
For some reason I like that towering guy(?) more than the gender-unknown Amenominakanushi -﹏-
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nturtle 1 year ago ( 11.0.2 ) 
That's her stand.
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By foxwaffles 1 year ago ( 9.6.3 ) 
The link to the card's base form is broken, it just goes back to the home page of PAD X
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ms puppet 1 year ago ( 9.6.3 ) 
The base form is also unlisted on the Godfest-Exclusive series, and the monster book on this site.

Edit: The site fixed it.
Last edited by ms puppet 1 year ago ( 11.0.2 )
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By TradyJones 1 year ago ( 11.1 ) 
So 144x multiplier for one single light row with double leads? Nice, and that doesn't even factor in row awakenings.
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By Potato 1 year ago ( 11.1.1 ) 
Excellent leader for speed running all content including A3. Don't even need a row, a 7 combo works just fine for most floors.
Last edited by Potato 1 year ago ( 12.0.3 )
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By SevenHeads 1 year ago ( 11.1.1 ) 
The art is so ironic- all the chaos in it seems to argue against the name "serene primordial divinity"
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Potato 1 year ago ( 12.0.3 ) 
Serene

3.
(often capital) honoured: used as part of certain royal titles: His Serene Highness
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By Sonofyin 1 year ago ( 12.0.3 ) 
Pretty sure the buff takes the dmg above Aizen now?
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Pikka 1 year ago ( 12.0.3 ) 
nope, one aizen gets 24x, while ameno gets 18x. imo ameno is still better since she is more accessible and takes less orbs and skill.
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By Guest 12 months ago ( 12.0.3 ) 
This unit is totally awesome! I have wanted this one for a long time and when I saw that it was 10X drop rate today I gave it a shot and it dropped! Definitely my new favorite leader!
Thanks Gungho! I teamed 2 of this with Reincarnated Ra, Reincarnated Apollo, Reincarnated Indra, and Kirin from the Monster Hunter Collab and the stats are off the chart generally clipping along doing around 5 million damage (and as much as 15 million or more at the upper end). Just got it today and I am excited to use this as my new primary form.
The fact that this is unbindable with unbinding, SBR, along with this ultra powerful leader skill multiplier makes this a versatile and potent leader. I am excited about this game again since this one might actually help me stand a chance in the new Annihilation difficulty dungeons!
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By draco 11 months ago ( 12.0.3 ) 
Any opinions on running this with a Kirin friend leader?
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By draco 11 months ago ( 12.0.3 ) 
Any comments on pairing with Kirin from monster hunter?
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By Xinfo 1 year ago ( 11.0.2 ) 
She reminds me of Mumei from Kabaneri the Iron Fortress with a different color scheme. Yay, Nay?
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By Jun 1 year ago ( 11.1 ) 
The only problem I have with this card is that there so little optimal light water sub. Ideally, having 2 light water sub will give you ample amount of rcv. The leaders arent reliable as his skill turn him into light light. So you will have to choose between rcv and damage half the time.
Last edited by Jun 1 year ago ( 11.1 )
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By sansie 1 year ago ( 12.0.3 ) 
looking for amen friends 389 472 383
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By Burned Fry 1 year ago ( 11.1.1 ) 
an unbindable aizen
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Tim 1 year ago ( 12.0.3 ) 
pshh aizen is unbinable
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By Guest 1 year ago ( 11.1.1 ) 
she is phucking genderless da phuc y'all keep calling her/him it's and it
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