No.2677
虚化・黒崎一護
 Balanced / Devil
8 ★
MP 6000 Cost 39
 LvHPATKRCVWeightSellExp
112526461713117351763
994130199543895872765174488
 *1 Experience gain bonus from same element
 *2 Weighted Stat: HP / 10 + ATK / 5 + RCV / 3
  • Change all orbs to Fire, Water & Wood & Light & Dark & Heart orbs.
  • Increases time limit of orb movement by 150% for 1 turn.
  • Dark attribute ATK x1.5 for 1 turn.
CD: 13 Turns ( 8 Turns at Lv.6 )
This card can be used as assist.
  • All attribute cards ATK x2.5 when attacking with 4 of following orb types: Fire, Water, Wood, Light, Dark & Heart. ATK x0.5 for each additional orb type, up to ATK x3.5 for all 6 matches.
  • All attribute cards ATK x2.5, RCV x2.5 on the turn a skill is used. ( Multiple skills will not stack )
Same Skill
Assist Bonus Stat
HP +413 ATK +100 RCV +66 ( Max Lv )
HP +512 ATK +125 RCV +110 ( Max Lv & +297 )
HP +615 ATK +149 RCV +127 ( Lv 110 & +297 )
Applicable Killer Latents
Awoken Skills
Super Awoken Skills
( Random 1 of 3 )
Evolution
Lv50
Ultimate Evolution
Reincarnation Evolution
Reverse Ultimate and Assist Evolution by using:
Grayed out Japanese cards
Bleach Collab Series
Drop Locations for #2677
This card can be obtained by:
- Evolution from Substitute Soul Reaper, Ichigo Kurosaki
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By spikevg22 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
DQXQ is crying in a ditch of irrelevance somewhere
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Chrispy!PF 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
3kingdoms should get a buff suvo or A.uvo soon...:(
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secret 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
And now he is laughing like a madman with his 10x multiplier.
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FormX in reply to secret 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
they are a pair of sisters
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Ben in reply to nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 9.2.1 ) 
You pc bro?
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nathan@N17 in reply to FormX 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
It's 2016. Are you sure they're girls?
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By Moldy 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
Nothing to say other than amazing.

Basically DKali, A Horus, and LL Ra/Ra Dragon all rolled up into one package. That God Killer is insane, though. More than makes up for the fact that his only other offensive awoken is a TPA, methinks.
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\g 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
The absolute only issue I have with this guy is that he's bindable, but that's not a huge deal with A.Isis on the squad.
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By rayyyymond 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
i wish they included grimmjow and ullquiorra
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Guest 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
You guys are being too impatient, cuz gungho is gonna include more characters the second time this collab is on.
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Sasuke☆*:. 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Same here. Those two are my favorite Bleach characters.
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GenjitsuTy 8 months ago ( 17.2.0 ) 
You predicted it
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=3361
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=3363
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By -Striku- 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
That face you make when you slay Kali with God Killer on.
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By secret 4 years ago ( 9.2.1 ) 
I always get Kingdom Hearts and Final Fantasy mixed up, I spent like 20 minutes looking for this card in the collab series from Sephiroth's page. D:
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By Goatboy666 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
I don't know why he is a balanced type. Ichigo is anything but balanced. He should really be an attacker/devil
Last edited by Goatboy666 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 )
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DKnight 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
I don't remember much of Bleach but doesn't the Balanced typing mean that Ichigo is struggling within to balance his sanity against the effects of the Hallow mask? I sort of recall the many episodes of training Ichigo had to go through to train himself not to go crazy from the influence of that mask.
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By Henry 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
For people thinking Ichidgo is bad. He definitely isn't anywhere near the level of RaDra, but he is no joke. The God Killer awakening basically makes clearing arena 1 or 2 seem like a breeze when it comes to damage, and the only problem is the weakness to binds, but with D Kali, that isn't a problem. Recovery also isn't a problem, since with a 6.25x when matching a skill, he easily breaks 40k heals. He is way better than Horus, since Horus maxes out at 20.25, and with no other multipliers, he doesn't get you anywhere in Endgame content, such as Arena or Machine Zeus or Hera. With New Years Horus, you could make an argument, but in reality, the 81x vs. ~76x is pretty negligible, since half of most Ichigo teams have the god killer.
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nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
1. You're wrong. Horus does WAY more than x20.25. 2. NY horus also has x1.5 boost to all stats when cooping. 3. What subs have god killer?
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By Inagaki 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
Wow nice card !!
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By Siegfried 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
If only we all could become invincible when we put on a soul devouring mask, its not like we have that at all today except the mask is money. Nope.
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By Ink 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
Pretty sweet leader with a 76x(or something like that) with 6.25 rcv when you use a skill. It's like a really buffed version of awoken horus...
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By Tony 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
I'm really disappointed there wasn't a final getsuga tenshou form of Ichigo card. Hopefully, there will be. Also, I'm surprised PaD hasn't done a collab with Naruto esp. after the release of Ninja storm 4. I assume since Bleach was one of the former big three mangas out there that there would be my favorite one collabing with PaD, One Piece (maybe collab with OP: Burning Blood). I imagine fourth gear Luffy would be one heck of a card and Doflamingo having a pair of sunglasses as fodder/skil-up material.
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Alesund 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
This collab is based on the Soul Society arc, except for Chad and Uryu's evolved forms which are from Hueco Mundo for some reason, so it makes sense they wouldn't have a Final Getsuga Tenshou form.
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By EbenBishop 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
This card is mine, like Gon Freecs.

Ichigo/LKali/Okuninushi/A-Yomi/Awoken Hades(LMetatron, Indra)
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By Schiffy 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
I think the official English name for the Leader Skill will be more along the lines of "I don't have a name" (as opposed to "It doesn't"), to fit with White Ichigo's dialogue when asked for his name by Byakuya.
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By tian 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
He is a superb sub for sephiroth. FF x Bleach
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Orange 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Yes but do I roll Bleach for the outside chance of Ichigo or Rukia, or go for Godfest with much better chance of something useful (including Kali/D.Kali to inherit onto something for my Sephiroth if we get FF2)
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By bub 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
His dkali active skill and God killer makes him a superb sub for a lot of teams. As a leader, he is still awesome!

Best monster in the collab.
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By deviant324 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Tf when you spend 50 bucks to get Ruka and pull 2 of these guys lol.
Needless to say I don´t have Ruka now :/
Got a near hypermaxed Scheat in my box silently crying right now
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Greg! 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Dude we're in the same situation lo.

Hypermaxed Scheat, rolled just for Rukia, got two Ichigos instead. GungTroll strikes again!
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Orange in reply to Greg! 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
18 rolls no 6* :*(
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Angryduck 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Got 2 Rukia so far...among several others that are not Ichigo...also have 4 of Ichigo's weapon/skill ups Zanpakuto, Zangetsu...i hate this game sometimes...
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Greg! in reply to Angryduck 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
I'm at my third Ichigo guys help
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deviant324 in reply to Greg! 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
me too xD
Got my 100th consecutive log-in bonus today, pulled two goldeggs and still no Rukia haha
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nathan@N17 in reply to Greg! 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
That's what happens when you get your social security without supervision
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By Kazeshiro 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Ichigo with 1st roll :D

The team i'm thinking about (with monsters i have):

- Ichigo
- RKali
- Maeda Keiji
- Blodin/Lmeta
- Awoken Susano/Bastet/Amaterasu/Green Gleaming Star Kirin, Sakuya

or if i'll get some good wood/water monster i could use sephiroth :)
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By Trademark 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
this leader skill is absolutely insane... and the god killer !

3.5 x 2.5 x 3 gives 26.25x attack. with an ichigo friend thats 229.68x damage against Gods.

He doesn't even need the TPA... with it the damage gets even more insane.

Then there is the active skill. Max skilled 6 turn cooldown. Which means with boosts he can definitely be ready from the beginning. And 1.5x orb movement? Gets so broken so fast. I can see a team like this.

Ichi
Dkali
Dkali
A.Yomi
A.Sakuya
Ichi

Thats 10 time extends. which means base 9 seconds to move orbs. 13.5 seconds with his skill. If you can't pop his LS with this much move time then nothing will.

as an added bonus you get full skill bind resist. An un-bindable bind clear. and matching a row of hearts will take care of the rest (9 turn clear if the key cards aren't bound)

Definitely a top contender card. Pretty much the only thing that can take it out would be a solid pre-emptive. But even that you could just take out a kali and put in something else.

Moral of the story is.... I NEED this card.
Last edited by Trademark 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 )
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Guest 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Pretty sure the god killer only affects this card...so you're math might be a bit off.
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Trademark in reply to Guest 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Yeah I know. Thats just on ichigo. But with dark TPA team I think the damage will still be very solid regardless. You get a high enough damage output that you can clear a huge majority of the game
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MooSama xD 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Haha, that's the exact team I'm running my Ichigo with :) Time extends for daaays.
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By keoki 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
MP value is 15k, not 6k
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nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Lol who cares honestly
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By Sir Kyle 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
After 48 pulls trying to get this guy, I give up. You win, Gungho. You win. You always win.
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By Lil'Chizzy 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Super Gunma BFF!!
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By ZomB King 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Do you think he would be good with my playful stars?
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By Guest 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Is it worth it to keep a second I? I have two and didn't know whether to sell it or keep.
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By nullspace 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Ichigo / DKali / Typhon / Cerberus Rider / Eschamali / Friend Ichigo

Just finished rolling the last card I needed for this team, and needless to say I'm pretty stoked to start using it.
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By Kaneki 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Add me if u want I got him on my third roll
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By Raviin@hg 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Sorry if I missed it but I didn't see anyone say anything about Ragnarok Dragon which would be an optimal sub for him adding another God killer awakening and soon a dragon killer awakening.
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By Pomf 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
super hollow and final getsuga tensho Ichigo when?
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GenjitsuTy 7 months ago ( 18.0.0 ) 
you called it
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By Guest 4 years ago ( 9.0.3 ) 
They need to make Ichigo have better abilities and more evolutions to follow himexact and to make him a god/devil lose the balance crapr
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By GenjitsuTy 7 months ago ( 18.0.0 ) 
Getsuga... TENSHO!
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By Greg! 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
The perfect team would be:

Ichigo
D.Kali
Halloween Kali
Okuninushi / Castor
Awoken Yomi

A Dark-based rainbow team with a decent amount of board changers, craploads of Time Extends, and additional firepower through Orb Enhances!
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By Guest 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
This collab is so sad. Why in the world would they do the soul society arc? Why didn't they do the awesome arrancar arc with like aizen and gin and the espadas? Why is ichigo the only really good character, with most of the others being trash? WHY THE HECK IS RUKIA STRONGER THAN ALL THE INCLUDED CAPTAINS, WHEN SHE IS NOT EVEN A SEATED OFFICER!!!!???? Tbh i am extremely disappointed in this collab. Instead of being awesome with a bunch of rem characters like dbz collab, it is lackluster like the dc collab. And i was waiting for YEARS for a bleach collab. Anyways, sorry for the rant. Just had to get that out
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OseiWar 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
Too many REM cards would flood the card pool

They chose the SS arc because there will most likely be another future collab like HxH, Shonen Sunday, DBZ, and Fist of the North Star.

Who cares if Rukia is stronger than the captains its not based on the actual canon
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Guest in reply to OseiWar 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
I see ur point. Its just, if they do do a future addition to this collab, it would suck. Byakuya, ikkaku, renji, all major characters in the series will still be subpar compared to most other cards. Ichigo already has an ultimate, will they do wat they did to goku and give him a second ultimate? Tbh, I don't know wat they could do to make this collab better. Only rukia and ichigo are worth rolling, and both are base six stars. All the other common cards are below the meta. So i don't know wat they might do, most likely add ultimates and be done with it, but i will probably never be happy with this collab
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yokochichi 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
I can't remember exactly who, but Rukia wasn't a seated officer because someone decided to prevent her from becoming one. I think it was Byakuya. It's been confirmed that Rukia was strong enough to be a seated officer despite the reasons for her not being one.
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Amy in reply to Guest 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
I give u one name sir "Grimmjaw"!!!!!
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By Alan c: 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
A good Kali sub if i can ever get it...
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DEBT 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
Kali's a good sub for this guy
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By Greg! 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Rolled him on my fourth roll!!

I still need that Rukia though. Good luck to everyone!!
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Guest 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
I wish I'd be half as lucky as you were! 👍
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By El Crabbo 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Anybody ever considered using one of those max skilled bean things with this guy so you can always hit that full multiplier?
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By El Rayo 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
Will roll for this and won't get it as usual. Couldn't get Super Man, Kenshiro, Sephiroth, Cloud, RKali. Darn you gungho :(
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Ferracene 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
Didn't we ban you from rolling collabs? You're on a strict GF diet until you reach your kali goal.
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WarSiN@PG 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
ouch i am sad for you
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Greg! 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Woops wrong person
Last edited by Greg! 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 )
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By terminalx 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
I decided not to venture into the soul society, then I felt an overwhelming ammount of spiritual pressure coming from the rem, so I pulled the dragons arm and out came ichigo kurosaki. My 1 and only pull, I wish captain Yamamoto was here to see this.
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By Giles 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Doesn't "ichigo" also mean strawberry in Japanese??? Regardless, he is berry OP lol.
<--- down vote here folks
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Angryduck 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
If so, it's likely because he has red hair and that is pretty unique considering Asians don't typically have the gene to spawn children with red hair.
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cc 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Ichigo's name is written 一護 which is formed of the kanji meaning "one" and "protect", e.g. "to protect one thing" or "one to be protected". There are several puns regarding his name however, for example it has the same reading as一五 (ichi go/"one five") so he sometimes has t-shirts with the number 15 on them in the early stories, etc. And yes it does also share a reading with 苺 (ichigo/"strawberry") so there is a pun in several manga chapter titles, for example the very first manga chapter title is, in english even in the original version, "The Death and the Strawberry", and later chapter titles sometimes call him "Deathberry".

The reason why his hair is orange, other than the fact it's a natural color and not dyed, is not given until much later in the series, where it's only subtly hinted at through clues in the story.
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By Aydan 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
I'm confused, how is this card good? His active seems mostly useless because it seems to just reset the board, his leader skill doesn't seem that great either. What am I missing?
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? 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
You're probably too new to the game to understand how this card works. With dual leads, you get a multiplier ranging from 6.25x (4 colour match, no skill used) to 76.56x (All colours + heart match, skill used). This gives him a huge range of damage in case you don't want to hit a certain HP threshold on bosses or those with damage shields. In addition, using a skill and matching at least a combo of hearts will nearly always put you back to full HP.

The active skill is certainly much more useful than you think. It does not reset the board like Mastering's or the Wood Goblin's active skill, but it guarantees at least 3 of each orb type, perfect for those leaders that need a combination of some orb types to activate. On floors where you don't have the adequate orbs, this active will save you. It also synergizes perfectly with his leader skill, and comes with a time extension to boot.
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XXv9 in reply to hoyun 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
Sorry about that, I swear I'm not the one down voting your comments. I must have missed the part about the 600 days. Mostly, I feel that you think rainbow teams are bad in general. Him being 'too' difficult to use is a bit far fetched. He really only needs 4 colors to get a Atk x39 multiplier as long as you use an active. His active will guarantee the Atk x76 multiplier, but more importantly it'll heal you to full Hp with the Rcv x6.25. I recognized how you didn't mention the second part to his leader skill in your comment like it isn't a big deal. Rcv x6.25 isn't just a little boost that comes with an active, it'll make one heart combo be enough to fully heal you ALWAYS. (I always look at my base recovery as doubled whatever it is since there is no reason to ever not get over 5 combos on a rainbow team)

I say that I feel you don't like rainbow teams because he has all the same sub restrictions of a rainbow Leader. In comparison to Awoken Ra, he actually has a much larger pool since he requires no specific typing. Unless you look at needing short cool down actives as restricting, then he really isn't that restrictive at all when it comes to Subs. Besides long cool down actives will always be unappealing on any team other than tank teams.

Cards that I can think of from the top of my head that really stand out:
Cerberus Rider - 2 turn cooldown and it takes care of Michael/Ra/Tamadras/Piis/Predras

Okuninushi - Delay practically makes your actives more consistent since that is an extra turn count added.

Lumiel - 3 TPA, Pretty Good Board with a x36 multiplier for breaking through 200k+ damage absorb shields.

Typhon - Same as Lumiel + Fully heals you and haste.

Satsuki - Sacrifices the x76 multiplier for either x39 or x56 in return for more dark orbs and your other skills to come back up faster.

Dark Izanami - The damage reduction scales pretty well with RCV and its on a low cooldown.

Castor - Hastes and can clear jammer/poison. The 2 SBR goto.

Vritra/Loki (God killer Form) - Decent cool downs, but mostly for clearing God heavy dungeons.

If you're not going mono color then really anything with a short cool down and TPA/Slayers would do (Minerva*cough*).

One of the most important thing though is that Ichigo already has a Skill Bind Resist which would not hinder him to have to pick up a sub with multiple SBR and also must have atleast 1 SBR on each sub.

As for his power being limited, its about as limited as any rainbow team especially if you're running Cerberus rider. Although I guess you would be in a lot of trouble if you got skill delayed, but that's the case for most rainbow teams. x76 is honestly pretty powerful if you assume you're making at least a TPA. After thinking about it, maybe what your idea of bad is anything that cannot clear Ultimate Arena consistently or something of that caliber. If that's the case then I guess from that perspective he IS bad, but so would every other leader that are not already recognized as the top leaders in the game currently.
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XXv9 in reply to hoyun 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
I was beginning to write a paragraph about how wrong you were, but then I realized that maybe you were new or perhaps not that far enough into the game to understand how rainbow teams work. Good job Elize, nice catch! Thanks.
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XXv9 in reply to hoyun 4 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
My point was that in comparison to most leads he's actually IS good. He's practically the same as Awoken Horus, but with a rougher yet more rewarding leader skill. Unless of course you think Awoken Horus also IS bad, then your statement is likely just biased and you probably think anything below the top tiers are bad.
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Bob in reply to hoyun 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
His pool is actually larger than Ra Dragon's because it doesn't have to be God Type. He's not as good as Ra Dragon, but he's definately a top-tier leader.
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Reverb in reply to hoyun 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
You can't just give me one video where the guy rarely gets a lot of dark orbs with Kali and claim that I'm lying. By your own logic, I could claim that you're lying because I myself have gotten a lot of Kali boards with a bunch of dark orbs.

Im just not going to argue about subs that are good for Ichigo anymore, because that's pretty subjective and something that might not work for someone can work for someone else. We could argue about this all day and not get anywhere because the usefullness of a sub is about preference and playstyle.

I really don't see how it's even physically possible for Awoken Meimei to clear Arena, so you'll have to provide me with proof on that one. What you said about Horus, however, I really don't understand. Are you implying that Horus is a bad leader? Again, can you please give me some benchmark to help determine what makes a leader good for you? You keep using the same excuse that clearing Arena doesn't make a leader good, but you've never specified what you think DOES make a leader good. If clearing Arena isnt good enough for you, then what is?

And stop comparing Ichigo to leads like Rukia and Sepiroth and act as if that somehow proves that he's a bad leader. Just because a leader isn't as good as one of the best leads in the game, doesn't make it a bad leader. Are you going to start claiming that Awoken Shiva and Bastet are bad leaders now too?
Last edited by Reverb 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 )
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Reverb in reply to hoyun 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
If you're activating a 76x and still can't break a million on each card, there's something wrong with you, not the card
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Reverb in reply to hoyun 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
The board in the video you posted had 8 combos, so if the guy was actually good at comboing he definitely would have been able to break a million on everything, or at least get extremely close to a million.

And besides, that was with only one tpa. I dare you to go and try to find another viable leader that can break one million with only 6 combos and 1 TPA while all of the subs only have one tpa as well (excluding RaDra of course). Not to mention he has godkiller, which boosts his damage significantly against a lot of bosses.

And as a final point, I find it ironic how the video you posted with the intention of proving that he's a bad leader does the exact opposite. Ichigo almost cleared ARENA in that vid, and the only reason he wasn't able to was because of the premptive. How can you watch him almost clear the hardet dungeon in the game (excluding the pad radar dungeons) and still argue that he's not an endgame leader? Please, do go and try to pull some more arguments out of your @ss so I can tear them to shreds. I can't wait

p.s don't take any of my rudeness seriously im just having fun XD
Last edited by Reverb 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 )
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WorldSend in reply to hoyun 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
What I don't get is the point from before; that he's bad because he's hard to use. I have Awoken Anubis and my average combo is only ~7-8. Do I think he's a bad leader? No. I'm using Awoken Sakuya a lot more than I used to. Do I complain she's bad with my average? Not at all. I get they all have higher multipliers than Ichigo here, but the only of my teams I've bothered to count the numbers for is my Awoken Shiva team, which can get over a million pretty easily with a good row or 2. Is Fenrir (who I don't have) a bad leader? Debatable, but not too difficult for a 625× Combo, or even the 400× he has right now in my opinion. Being difficult to use does not mean bad.
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Reverb in reply to hoyun 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
There are double tpa options that Ichigo can use, like Hades, Beelzebub, Okuninushi, etc. And you can definetely get more than one tpa with a DKali board, I've gotten it plenty of times.

Your whole point about typical players is just stupid. Just because the average player won't be very successful in using it doesn't make it a bad leader. The average player can't use Awoken Anubis or Rukia, so are they bad leaders too?

If you had read my post carefully, you would have seen that I specifically asked for teams that could break one million with the subs only having 1 tpa. Sepiroth and Scheat both have multiple tpas. If we had subs with multiple TPAs on Ichigo (like the ones I mentioned earlier), then they could definetely break a million as well.

And your last point is also stupid. If a leader can beat endgame content, it's an endgame leader. Simple as that. If a team being able to clear one the the hardest dungeons in the game still doesn't make it a good leader to you, then what will? What's your benchmark? "Oh, any decent leader can clear Arena." Please give me examples of these leaders you speak of, leaders that can clear Arena and yet still aren't considered good (excluding cheese teams like Zhu Bajie of course).
Last edited by Reverb 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 )
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nathan@N17 in reply to Reverb 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Because you even said (not counting ra dragon) why would you say that if he didn't count anyways, he has two tpa. Just saying bruh
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nathan@N17 in reply to hoyun 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
I think you are being a little ignorant to the facts. He has a permanent x3 to Gods with an extremely easy active. Why the fuuk would they have him hitting for 3mil for that just to get tripled against gods (news flash. 95% of things are gods, especially in arena). So sure he's "only" hitting for 700k. But against gods that is 2.1mil just for him. 4.2 mil if they are light. Most things don't have hp more than 4 mil so he ohko's them by himself. You're not even considering the WHOLE team output......yomi dragon for example. Damage is not impressive by any means BUT it does enough to get the kill, and that's the point. Sure this guy doesn't do x100 or anything high like that, but he has the supporting awakenings that get it done. Why do you think anubis doesn't have tpa, or ra. They would be like ra dragon and fenrir, completely obliterating dungeons. And mind you, he will still get an evolution with some sort of buff
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Reverb in reply to hoyun 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Dude seriously don't accuse other people of lying when you have no proof that they are. I may have been getting lucky with my DKali boards but to flat out call me a liar is a little low.

Your argument about him having to be as good as Rukia and Sephiroth is complete bs. For the nth time, just because he's not as good as another endgame leader, that doesn't mean he's not an endgame leader. Why are you so stuck in the mindset that "oh you gotta be as good as Sephiroth and Rukia otherwise you're not an endgame lead" ? As long as he can consistently beat endgame content, thats good enough for me.

Fyi, I DID try to look up videos of Meimei clearing Arena, and what a surprise, I couldn't find any, hence why I asked you to give me proof.

You gave an example of Horus beating Arena and used that as proof that non-endgame leads can clear Arena. And since the only words you've been using to describe Ichigo is "not an endgame lead" and "a bad leader", I can only assume the two terms are synonymous to you.

Comparing Ichigos leader potential with Hino's is absolutely ridiculous. Hopefully you've realized that on your own.

Let's discuss the three points that you brought up in your first comment:

1. He's too difficult to use

This complaint is stupid. Ra Dragon suffers from this same problem

2. His subpool is limited

This is also a stupid complaint. Having a small subpool in no way makes a leader bad, it just means that it's a little difficult to make the team. Again, Ra Dragon suffers from this same problem, but that doesnt make him a bad lead.

3. His damage output is limited

This is the only complaint that I can at least somewhat understand, but from what I've seen of his teams, that limited amount of damage is adequate for most of the enemies he faces, and his teams certainly have enough bulk so that you don't have to one shot everything you come across.
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WorldSend in reply to hoyun 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
I fully understand that, but Daniel9dsi and XXv9 have discussed the other 2 more already.
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FatTire in reply to hoyun 4 years ago ( 9.0.3 ) 
I know you're just trolling, but Jesus-Tappdancing-Christ you took these posts way too far. Next time instead of being salty that you didn't roll a sweet card like this and clogging up pdx's threads with your shenanigan maybe you could just go outside for a minute and do something worthwhile with your life.

Also be real, this guy is a ballin lead and nearly on par with Sephiroth due to his much better active and the fact that you can destroy most endgame content with a much lower multiplier than either of them anyways.
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hoyun in reply to Reverb 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Please stop with the ignorance and start doing some research on what you're talking about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1abIf_nVjc

go straight a 4:45 in the video, a typical dark kali active that typically gave you just enough dark orb for 1 tpa, and a typical 6 combo that triggered 76x, a +297 Ichigo barely breaks 700k damage, just like I said. Heck, it couldn't break a million even with a 2800 attack machine zeus on 1 light tpa. Where is the millions damage you're talking about?

Do the research yourself and you'll know they'll all end up with the same thing as to that video.
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hoyun in reply to Reverb 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
please read my posts from before to see all my points.

The reason to only use cards that has only 1 tpa is that they're the only option an Ichigo team can have typically, with actives that have synergy on the team. And to add to that, you're not going to get 2 dark tpa out of a dark kali active over 90% of the time, so the saying of "what if he matched 2 tpa" is not even a valid argument. The team's power is limited by nature if you're going for the 76x.

As I said a typical 6 combos, because a typical player is not going to hit 8+ combos consistently. And fyi, an +297 Ichigo is not going to break a million with that board even with 8 combos.

Leader breaking millions damage on 6 combo + 1 tpa matched? Well Sephiroth on his own team cracks close to 1.5 million on 5 combos and hits 2 millions at 8 combos. And Scheat on a Rukia team hits 550k at 6 combos and 1.8 millions at 8 combos. Both of them beats Ichigo by a very large margin in turns of damage output, and they can do it every single turns.

And your final point is just silly. Anyone could had beat Arena with a decent leader in the game, along with enough luck, but that doesn't make it a good leader. And it does not change the fact of the low damage output on an Ichigo team either.
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hoyun in reply to WorldSend 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
please read my first comment. I said that he's a bad leader because of a combination of 3 reasons, not one.
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hoyun in reply to Reverb 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
If you have read my post carefully as well, I had specifically refers to the tpa card whose active need to have synergy with an Ichigo team, not any random dark card with multiple tpa. The 3 cards you've mentioned did not go into the team except Okuninushi because they either have a long CD or a cr @ppy active, simple as that. The only other dark card out of the entire game whose have multiple tpa that can go into an Ichigo team is Awoken Loki and that is it. But in practice, people don't use him because of his long CD in an active-hungry team. Then all the choice you have left are dark kali and the variations of dark kali, just like I said in my first post.

--> "And you can definetely get more than one tpa with a DKali board, I've gotten it plenty of times"

Please skim through that d@mn video and count it yourself. He popped dark kali active 20+ times, and the occurrence of an 8 dark orb spawn is 1, the occurrence of a 7 dark orb spawn is also 1. I mean why are there even an argument on this? You are just flat out lying.

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And comparing team power by specifying on card with only 1 tpa awakening is very stupid because that is not practical. It's just like comparing damage for one row between a row team and a tpa team and argued "oh hey what if the tpa team gets 8 row enhance, it could have the same power". Fact is that tpa team doesn't go for row enhance member, It's just stupid.

In practical, Scheat will go into a Rukia team because they have synergy, but Beezlebubz does not go into an Ichigo team. There's no "what if he has this card" argument because he basically have nothing to choose from in his sub pool. Even with a +297 Okuninushi, 1 dark tpa & 6 combos will only give you 1.1 millions. And to look at this from a broader picture, that's the highest typical damage you can get from a dark kali active+76x triggered Ichigo team by one member, and everyone else scales down from that.

In comparison, with a Rukia team on 1 tpa & 56x triggered, you'll have Scheat at 2.6 million damage, while Nut at 1.3 millions and Orochi also hits over 2 millions. And in practice, you WILL have multiples of water tpa for a Rukia team almost every single turn, which means that the difference of the damage margin blows even bigger between the two.

And just fyi, you can take away 1 tpa awakening on Sephiroth and he can still hit over millions on 6 combos anyway, still beating the poor Ichigo team.

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--> "Please give me examples of these leaders you speak of, leaders that can clear Arena and yet still aren't considered good"

Oh please, just do the search yourself on youtube and you'll find people clearing it with the weirdest teams. I've seen people clearing with Awoken Horus and Awoken Mei Mei, but does that make them end game leaders? No. All you need is multiples of tries and little bit of luck. Being able to clear Arena doesn't make him an end game leader.
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hoyun in reply to Reverb 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Dude it's binomial probability, you are destined to have very low chance of getting 2 tpa from a 6 color orb changer. There are 30 orbs on a board, and a dark kali active guarantees you at least 3 orb of each of the 6 colors. So that 18 out of the 30 orbs are fixed, what's left for the RGN are the remaining 12 orbs. And to get 2 dark tpa, you'll need to spawn at least 5 more dark orb out of the remaining 12, with the chance of getting a dark for each orb at 1/6.

Just go to an online calculator and plug in the number:
http://vassarstats.net/textbook/ch5apx.html

N=12, k=5, p=1/6

The probability is 3.635% chance of getting 2 tpa, and the video is a solid prove of just that. You are proven wrong both mathematically and by practical example, your self proclaiming of "getting 2 tpa plenty of times" is a flat out lie, you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

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I'm comparing Ichigo to Rukia and Sephiroth to show that he's not a top tier leader, as someone in the earlier post argued. He lacks the fire power of the top tier leaders and the ability to burst based on orb manipulation (multiple tpa). There's no orb changer in the game that is going to fit him because they will break his board.

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And why are you asking me for video of Mei Mei clearing Arena when I had already told you that it's on youtube, why can't you search it for yourself?

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--> "What you said about Horus, however, I really don't understand. Are you implying that Horus is a bad leader?"

What did I said about Horus? What are you talking about? Seriously stop with the straw man fallacy, you're just making up stuff right now

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--> "Just because a leader isn't as good as one of the best leads in the game, doesn't make it a bad leader. Are you going to start claiming that Awoken Shiva and Bastet are bad leaders now too?"

Dude I had clearly stated my reasons on why Ichigo is a bad leader on my very first comment. You can compare him to Shiva and Bastet in all three areas and he's still going to lose badly.
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hoyun in reply to nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Having a god killer awakening and dark kali active only make him a very good sub, they don't make him a good leader. The old fire/dark Kagutsuchi was also added a god killer, but did that make him a good leader? No. It doesn't change the fact about his team being limited in power by nature.
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nathan@N17 in reply to Reverb 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Break a million with 6 combos and 1 tpa?....ra, L/L or L/D or awoken, awoken yomi, beastet, kenshiro, seph, horus, shiva dragon, yomi dragon, awoken shiva, awoken orochi, UY
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Reverb in reply to nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Jeez Nate go back and read my comment. I specifically said using subs witth only one tpa.
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nathan@N17 in reply to Reverb 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
In my defense it sounded like just getting one tpa
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Reverb in reply to nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
I said excluding RaDra because I was talking about it as a leader. Most RaDra subs only have one tpa
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nathan@N17 in reply to hoyun 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Hino has never been a leader. So I'm not even sure of all the things I said, that's what you go for. And him having a killer awakening does make hino a better sub than he was before he had killer awakening. And like he pointed out, just because ich doesn't put up high damage like others does not mean her is worse. By that logic everything sucks @$$ compared to awoken anubis and fenrir. End of discussion
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hoyun in reply to Bob 4 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
How is he a top tier leader when most top tier leaders are constantly hitting over a million damage for each member, while with his team everyone rarely breaks 700k damage even with a 76x triggered? And most of the time they're only hitting around 100k each, that's like scratching in the game contents today.
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