No.2505
覚醒アスタロト
 Devil / Healer
7 ★
MP 5000 Cost 40
 LvHPATKRCVWeightSellExp
110007203763697351763
992800168060481772765174488
 *1 Experience gain bonus from same element
 *2 Weighted Stat: HP / 10 + ATK / 5 + RCV / 3
Active: Lazy Smile
Counter 5x damage taken with Wood for 4 turns. Change Fire, Jammer, Poison & Lethal Poison orbs to Wood orbs.
CD: 11 Turns ( 7 Turns at Lv.5 )
This card can be used as assist.
Healer & Devil type cards HP x1.5, ATK x1.5. ATK x3 when simultaneously clearing 6 connected Wood orbs.
Skill Up Cards
Assist Bonus Stat
HP +280 ATK +84 RCV +91 ( Max Lv )
HP +379 ATK +109 RCV +135 ( Max Lv & +297 )
Applicable Killer Latents
Awoken Skills
Evolution
Lv50
Ultimate Evolution
Reverse Ultimate Evolution by using
Grayed out Japanese cards
Archdemon Series
Drop Locations for #2505
This card can be obtained by:
- Evolution from Wind Archdemon Astaroth
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By BazBiscuit 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
I'm sorry, and likely quite a few will disagree with me, but this is complete BS. Awokens and super ults should be on different wavelengths. Meanwhile Belial and Astoroth are almost identical even though Astoroth Evo mats are harder to get.

- 3 types for Belial

- Belial has the exact same kinds of awakenings, in fact one extra for Belial.

- Weighted stats are better for Belial

- Active for Astoroth is hardly an improvement.

- Belial has waaaay more subs to choose from, and the rows make far more sense for him.

- And lastly, I think I prefer Belials leader skill. Being physical helps with the hp already and 1.3 to hp is not the kinda boost I expected for Astoroth.

Seriously, this chick got the short end of the stick, and it makes me worry for DA Lucifer. This all seems like little thought was put towards this group.

Last edited by BazBiscuit 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 )
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Guest in reply to nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Except the problem is, this is her Awoken evolution. For the foreseeable future, this is the last chance Astaroth has to be relevant and Gungho f-ed it up. The active is trash if you compare it to anything with a similar active(Satsuki, Raoh, Constellation Pantheon). The LS, while okay right now, will quickly become outdated(Oh wait, Sylvie already outdated it). And that's not even taking into account that the subpool basically amounts to "have Michael or GTFO". Even compared to the other Archdemons this is bad because in a year or so when they get their Awokens, Astaroth and Lucifer will almost certainly be written off as the troll rolls of the Pantheon. And as a final kick in the balls, her Awoken Skills, which actually were amazing, are straight up outclassed by Belial's in his non-Awoken form.
Last edited by N/A 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 )
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StaticG in reply to nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Astaroth's active is still a disappointment because counter is the most useless thing in the game. It is fine now as it has jammer and poison included while still being 7 turns, but looking at the constelation and Satsuki they are also 7 turns with a haste, which is huge since everyone is affected by it.

All they need to do is make it so counter bypasses defense. Then it will have a use. If that is too much just make it so it does damage before reductions.

Astaroth as she currently is... is good, but her team is not good enough. She needs to get 6 wood orbs every time you want to deal damage, which is nice for stalling, but without Super Ult Michael, another Awoken Astaroth or Valkyrie Elize filling must of your subs your rcv starts lacking without any +eggs. Even then for some dungeons your hp begins to lack without any hp +eggs because of healers having unfortunately poor hp. It is just barely made up for with her LS without +eggs (it is really good only with the eggs).

If you can actually manage to make an ideal Awoken Astaroth team with her extremely limited sub pool she is amazing as a leader, if not she only passes as a strong sub for wood row teams. I would rather use Artemis, Sylive, Ishida, new Gonia, and Perseus (depends on the leader) over her for orbs because in my opinion 2 rows with one active is better than 1 row (or 2 with saving) and 2 more row enhances, and I put heart makers on any team that needs to stall just as high.

If people thought that Ushio & Tora had a poor sub pool, they should look at what is available for Astaroth. I can count the number of good subs she has with my hands, and there isn't much else that suck. :(
Last edited by StaticG 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 )
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Eric 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
I don't agree. The active is much better.

Belial being physical may help with his hp to go with his rcv boost. But also note that Astaroth being healer helps with her recovery. Astaroth can also run the new super ult Michael to get some nice autorecovery.

Also note that 3.9x on leader skill is really way higher than 3x. We're talking 9x vs almost 16x. That's no contest.

What I do think is:

Astaroth gets 1.69 hp and 3.9x attack. Raoh gets 2.25 hp and 4.5x attack AND a haste on his active.
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nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
She has a better active by far and a slightly better leaderskill
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Ink 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
She got buffed to healer Raoh, so chill. Sure 4 Michaels will probably work but this team works too.

Astaroth
Awoken Frejya
Michael
Ceres
Valk Elize
Astaroth

15 rows and great sustainability. 4.5x ATK SENDS Belial ten feet under at only 3x. You're running healers so naturally a ton of RCV and 2.25x HP is nothing to scoff at. And also, you don't need a full board change cause Astaroth will change poisons jammers and what not. And the extra time extend doesn't matter because you can literally stall forever. That team I put up with +297 has more than 51k HP and easily 5k RCV. Just one row of woods hits for about 1.2 million so damage isn't an issue. Astaroth is freaking op...
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Cornykova 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Firstly : You were afraid of Luci, and you were terribly wrong ^^ His awoken is a beast and he's definitely the top tier of these series now. Awesome sub pool, great synergy with his typing, an allround LS, useful AS with decent cooldown

About Astaroth :
I'm hoping they'll give her triple typing in the future, since her typing doesn't go really well with her attributes. A balanced, attacker or god typing would make for a much larger pool of teams she could fit in as a sub. I don't see Gungho change her LS, so triple typing wouldn't make any difference for her leader options. For Lucifer, it makes sense that he didn't get the triple typing. He doesn't need it at all and has major synergy with his attributes and awakenings No one will be using him as a sub anyway, I presume. This is basically the only real flaw for Astaroth, even for future releases.

- Her AS makes sure you can keep your full board changers for bosses instead of wasting them on poison- or jammer mobs.
- her leader skill gives a 20.25 for matching 1 row. This makes Perseus totally obsolete as a leader. If you take into account that Astaroth teams will have about 10-13 rows, her damage output is insane.
- She gives you a ton of HP (x2.25), and if the right subs come by (mainly hoping for a green healer meta), she'll have the recovery to match this HP. This can help you tank some heavier hits or 1-turn monsters.
- She's unbindable, but can't clear binds. Aamir, Ceres or Thumbelina (really low HP, though) can help this.
- She can make for a skill resist team with Freya and Leeza (great sub for green row teams).

Astaroth has some great possibilities, but her sub pool is very small and extremely REM-heavy. Her only two decent farmable subs are Aamir and Cauchemar. Although you can choose from 2 typings to put in the mix, her sub pool is too restricted. if you are very lucky, and draw green valk, sasuke, leeza, Freya, Michael, Ceres or Thumbelina, you're in for a very strong green team, but good luck getting those subs. I don't have a single one of those subs, so I'll wait to awaken my Astaroth. Her stats, awakenings and damage output are at least on par with the rest of the series (except Luci^^), but it's her typing that kills her off. I don't find this card a disappointment, i'll see what the future brings for her :-)
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Daniel9dsi in reply to Cornykova 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Awokens don't get triple typing, that's usually reserved for the super ults
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Daniel9dsi in reply to grace 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
She may not have a combo requirement, sure, but she still needs 6 orbs to activate, meaning that you're almost always going to running rows, in which case she already gets most of the good wood row subs with the typing she already has. She already gets Valk, Michael, Freyja, Ceres, etc
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Guest in reply to nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Yomi Dragon>Awoken Yomi. Sorry, but it's true. Yeah, 56x will blow anything up. So will 36x if you know what you're doing and Yomi Dragon provides a much needed RCV multiplier, undindable leads, and a far superior active. Lakshmi was great at her introduction, yes. Nowadays though, she's not. I get the feeling you're one of those people that watches Youtube videos instead of streams. What part of 5x Counter is equal to Haste to you? Astaroth can clear content, I'm not arguing against that. However, she's coming up on a very foreseeable dead end and to me, that's just not acceptable for a just released Awoken evo.
Last edited by N/A 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 )
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nathan@N17 in reply to Eric 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Yeah but you can honestly roll astaroth at any moment because she's normal rem. Roah is a gold collab, so pretty rare unless you whale out when/if it comes because we may or may not get it a third time
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Guest in reply to nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
The difference between Youtube and Streams is consistency. Go to Youtube and you'll find hundreds of videos of that one successful Arena clear for any lead. On the other hand, go over to Twitch/Nico Nico and see just how many times they fail in the process of actually getting that one clear.

BTW have fun running Yomi when Zaerog decides to make himself Dark immune for 8+ turns. Or when that Odin TAMADRA/whatever binds one of your leads and you get wrecked because of it. Or when skyfall hates your guts and refuses to give any Hearts for 2+ turns. Yomi Dragon, on the other hand, has no issue with these complete RNG screw yous.

What would lead you to believe I was comparing anything other than Counter vs Haste? The actives I listed are almost the exact same otherwise. Also, I never said teams require Haste or plus eggs. They don't. However, they do make those teams better.

I'm not asking for all that much out of Astaroth. My personal wishlist for her would be-LS-1.5x to Healers/Devils. AS-Minus 1 CD.
Last edited by N/A 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 )
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Guest in reply to nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Unbinable Leads>Unbindable Subs because you can still activate. Not too mention Yomi Dragon is an undindable bind-clearer and Heartmaker. The fact it comes down to what spawns is exactly my point. Both leads have the power necessary to kill anything. As such, the lead that can handle a wider variety of enemy interference is the better of the two. That's what makes Yomi Dragon better.
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Eric in reply to nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
I tried Nathan. 42 silvers and 2 Toki's on FOTNS. Raoh probably should be better. and I should have one too.
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silfer@PF in reply to Guest 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Awoken Yomi handles Zaerog just fine. Stall 3 turns, Okuni delay. As for the active, eh. Full sparkleboard is useful on pretty much any color combo team. Its a good jack of all trades active.

And honestly neither Ra Dragon, Shiva Dragon or Yomi Dragon are -strictly- better, it really just depends on skill, subs and dungeon. Obviously RaDra and YomiDra are better for the Arena, but honestly I'm not sure how long that domination will last. Gung Ho will eventually one up themselves, like they always do. And even still, the Arena is not everything. Awoken Yomi absolutely destroys 7x6. ShivaDra is king of farming and great for 5x4 boards, but Shiva can still wreck a lot of face in normals and 7x6, and quite easily. Ra is great in dungeons w/o +skill cooldown, especially fast ones when you have kalis on your team because you can pump out that 100x very consistently for a clear. Odin Dragon being better is questionable now that Odin is getting the bind clear buff. I think only Neptune Dragon is strictly better.

That being said, personally I agree about Astaroth getting the short stick here. It doesn't look like much thought was put into her Awoken form, as its basically just a super ult minus one awakening. The active is definitely better, but not amazing. I think the problem here is that Gung ho is pushing out uuvos and Awokens at the same time. The uuvos have to be decent, otherwise there's no point in making them, but at the same time there should be a noticeable difference between an Awoken and uuvo form. The best way to do that would be to completely rework Astaroth and separate her from her earlier forms, but they were kind of lazy here.
Last edited by silfer@PF 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 )
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Cornykova in reply to Daniel9dsi 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Haven't noticed before, thanks for the info !

Makes me wonder, though:
First, they awaken Astaroth and super Ult Belial.
Second, they awaken Luci and super Ult amon and baal.

Why didn't the series get the same treatment for every card?
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Daniel9dsi in reply to Cornykova 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
I think the awoken ults are reserved for the cards who already have two ults. Astaroth and Lucifer had two ults already, while the rest of the pantheon only had one.
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Guest 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
SUCK IT DEVIL LOVERS
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grace 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Yes. Changing her to simply devil + attacker and making her more like her previous expensive ult would have turned Astaroth into a most desirable, maybe even better than awoken shiva!
Think about it:

HP boost and attack boost without a combo requirement like Shiva. plus a bountiful harvest of subs to use from!! (more than current anyways)
The Row Purists
Super Ult Michael
Awoken Ceres,
Green Valkyrie (these top three stay the same, but just as useful)
Attacker Athena (this is the one that hurts the most right now)
Ishida Mitsunari

for TPA lovers
Vishnu
GZL
Genbu
Summer Gronia
Kaede
Liu bu
Acadamy Athena
and Cutting-Claw Green Dragonbound, Sylvie

are the ones I can think of. Right now, it's just too sad. Too sad....


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Timm@OA in reply to Eric 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
You might've been the only person here that did the math 2 months ago.
I enjoy clearing descends with my Astaroth beast-rows team.
I call it the row boat... sailing past these descend bosses.
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Crow! 3 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Green row characters aren't very common, but that's hardly Astaroth's fault. The addition of Australis has recently given green row teams more validity, plus the usual "stall then do one big turn on every floor" game plan that row teams tend to use fits very well with Awoken Freyja.

It is true that putting together a successful green rows team is far more difficult than getting a successful team of most other archetypes, because there are few enough options that the odds you'll get them on the same account are pretty low. But if you do get it, it looks solid.
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nathan@N17 in reply to StaticG 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
People also still need to realize that not every card is made to be an all out legit leader, even with awoken forms. Hello hino. And honestly they are just now starting to work on wood rows. Tpa have been taking all the light lately so of course wood row is weak at the moment but they are surely making them
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Daniel9dsi in reply to Guest 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
I disagree that Yomidra is better than Yomi. Sure 36x looks great on paper, but unless you're using active skills or u just happen to have a buttload of darks orbs, 36x just isn't going to be doing that much on orb enhances alone. Yomidra really needs extra dark combos and TPAs to put out a lot of damage, and that's where Awoken Yomi has the ad advantage. Since Awoken Yomi's multiplier is so absurdly high, a lot of the time you can easily one shot monsters with a simple 5 orb dark match. Yomidra also requires its subs to be god type, meaning that you miss out on a lot of great subs like Z8 and Satsuki.

And also I hear you go on and on about how Yomidra is more consistent at farming Arena than Yomi is. Since when is the ability to clear one certain dungeon the deciding factor for how good a monster is? Also, the fact remains that it's quite a low possibility that Zaerog will not only spawn, but will also make himself immune to dark damage for more than 3 (or 4, I forget) turns. By your logic I could claim that Set is a more consistent leader for Arena than both Yomi and Yomidra, since he has enough hp to tank Heras preemptive. I've already done Arena multiple times with my Awoken Yomi team, and seeing as I have a 5 win 1 loss streak, I don't really see how Yomi is any less reliable than Yomidra.

Just my thoughts
Last edited by Daniel9dsi 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 )
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nathan@N17 in reply to Guest 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Really? First thing that comes to mind is kosuke because i have definitely seen videos of him failing over and over. Any legit player knows it comes down to what spawns....lol zaerog, yeah he's not on my team so nice try. And sure yomi dragon may be unbindable but the subs are not. And again that comes down to experience and what to play. Which you obviously are clueless on seeing as you think a bind is automatically game over lol 'nough said
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nathan@N17 in reply to Guest 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
I seriously don't get what you are complaining about. At least she doesn't have a dragon is better than her, hint hint Neptune and ra dragon (besides yomi dragon. Awoken is better). This evo has already been tearing things up so i don't see the complaint there either. I mean do you really expect when every evolution gets released that it will be better than the last? That's how you quickly just out class things. People talk crap about Lakshmi but yet apparently don't know she is tearing things up as well. Just enjoy the card and quit sounding so salty. And since when is this active worse? Lol like what, are you really comparing it with a godfest exclusive
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nathan@N17 in reply to Guest 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Lol i mean. IF you know what you are doing then recovery isn't an issue with awoken yomi, i mean i know i don't have an issue with it and i surely don't need a recovery boost to just stall away because I'm not comfortable enough with my ability. Sure yomi dragon makes orbs but that doesn't mean they are enhanced. JUST SAYING. And now anyways, you did not say haste was better than counter, you just said active and with both actives considered, they are pretty d@mn good. Maybe you are just new but haste is by no means necessary. I played well before any haste, and i also played before there were any awakenings. Which leads me to conclude you are probably one of those people that think you need plus eggs just to beat c9, c10 and rushes, but hey since i don't plus egg and beat those i MUST not know what I'm talking about. And i seriously don't get the youtube/twitch comment, so what's the difference exactly? Besides one being 95% of people showing off button farming plus eggs and tamadras....and again, wtf are you talking about with Lakshmi? You are seriously misinformed. She clears arena grand, what more do you need? And i don't see why a super ult and an awoken are that different. Every single ult can not be the very best in the game. You do need cards better, mediocre, and worse than others at the same level. But they all fit their niche. You just sound like a whinny kid that will just downvote my comment because your astaroth (who btw got split ults while beliel has been by far the most ignored card in the game) doesn't have a x6 leaderskill with 3 turns haste on a 2 turn cool down..."you're one of those people that watch youtube and not twitch streams" lolol wtf. I don't see what dead end you are talking about. You wanna talk about dead end, why don't you hit up awoken Neptune
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By Chinny 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
The things you see when a page is still under construction...
http://imgur.com/gallery/tgEz7Hk
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RAW in reply to nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
a few more rows couldn't hurt either.
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nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Lol that's funny but reality is somebody would still complain it doesn't have enough auto heals or enhance orbs
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By JuCombo 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
People are actually complaining about a 2.25/2.25(20.25 spike)/1 leader with 2 skill boosts, triple green rows, a skill bind resist, and 100% bind resist. And 604 RCV. You really can't please some people. This card is severely underrated.
Last edited by JuCombo 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 )
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Daniel9dsi 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
To be fair, a lot of these comments were made before Gung-ho buffed her
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Daniel9dsi in reply to chrysoth 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Im pretty sure the only comparison people were making between Astaroth and Sylvie were between their art

People weren't complaining because they thought Astaroth was worse than Belial. They were complaining because Astaroth was at her final awoken stage, yet she was on par with Belial, who only had a super ult and could still get an awoken in the future. Basically people were saying that she wasn't as good as other awoken monsters.
Last edited by Daniel9dsi 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 )
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JuCombo in reply to Daniel9dsi 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
I was completely unaware that this card was weaker prior to writing my comment. I was looking at the finished product and in my mind thinking "how are people saying this is bad?"

Either way, she's an amazing card now, and quite frankly I want her in my box. I heart green row teams lol
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chrysoth in reply to Daniel9dsi 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Even then, Belial was never better than Astaroth. Nor was Sylvie.
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By Espiro 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Does anyone remember ashlote from soul calibur? Does anyone remember who she was made to hunt?
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By Karma 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
I imagine new players looking at astaroths page will be quite confused these days as most of these negative comments was made when she had a 1.3x multiplier and not a 1.5. That buff on her has made her a valuable leader for anyone with a team for her.
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Metrinome in reply to XCWarior 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
Sorry for late reply, here's the list:

https://game8.jp/matome/18865

It's in japanese but you can see the leads are listed below in their respective tier categories. Bastet and Astaroth are the only green leads in the A+ category, and going into both's individual page shows that Asty's ranked 9.5 as a lead while Bastet is 9.0.

So yeah, Astaroth is currently the highest ranked green lead on the JP tier list.
Last edited by Metrinome 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 )
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Metrinome 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
She's also ranked very high on the JP tier list. I think she's the highest ranked green lead over there.
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XCWarior in reply to Metrinome 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Do you have a link to this tier list?
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XCWarior in reply to Metrinome 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
Thanks. I have A. Yomi, which is currently my highest card on that list. I have a Sakuya, but haven't managed to get a Fagan yet to make the Awoken Ult Evo. I know he's available in a tech dungeon, but first I have to unlock that dungeon.
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By Fallen 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
Just rolled Godfest today for her and along the way I got Australis too. It may not be a perfect team but for now here is my setup for her:

Awoken Astaroth
Australis
Awoken Frejya
Kushinadahime
Moon Flower Artemis

Paired up with another Awoken Astaroth that is 18 rows. Can't wait to see how good the team is.
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By Owl 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
"Cauchemar Crusher" - LS
Haha so cruel..
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By Dtang 3 years ago ( 9.0.3 ) 
A. Astaroth
UU Michael
UU Micahel
UU Gvalk
A. Ceres
A. Astaroth

15 rows, 35000 hp unmaxed, 4500 autoheal, 15 rows, dedicated bind clearer, 8 skill boosts, 15 rows, complete skill lock resist.... oh and did I mention 15 rows?
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By yopster89 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
im going to assume that luci who is the other in the pantheon who has split evo to get an awoken while the rest get super ults.
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By BiggestFan 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
I haven't read up too much on Awoken Astaroth, but what does everyone think about Astaroth / Parvati pairing? Making the team a 1.5/27/1.5

I'll get the biggest 3 downsides out of the way as I see it:
1- lack of good subs that specialize in rows that are also devil/healer. This is actually much less of a problem when paired with Parvati because non devil/healers like Artemis will still qualify for Parvatis 6x attack, still granting them a respectable 18x multiplier.

2- lack of synergy between the leaders' LS. One of rows focused and one is TPA. However there is some real synergy on other areas which I'll explain in the pros.

3- a pretty dofficult and orb hungry LS to fully activate. You'll need at least 6 green and 6 heart orbs to get the full 27x multiplier. In some ways easier than the legacy 5x leads 3 of 4 different colors, but in some ways more difficult because they have to be connected.

Now the benefits:

1- Real LS synergy. The 1.5x hp buff solves Parvatis biggest problem of low hp, while Parvatis 1.5 rcv combined the the ideal subs' naturally high rcv is more than enough to heal up. Also, the two different activations allow you to throttle damage really well. A minimum of 3.75 X (2.5x for non devil/ healers), and two middle grounds of 9x(6x) for 6 hearts, and 11.25x(7.5x) for just a green row. Then when you do both its the full 27x(18x) multiplier.

2- Non- offensive awakenings synergy. Both leads are unbindable, and Astaroth has a sbresist that Parvati is sorely lacking.

3- Ideal sub (debatable) overlap. What was once annoying about Parvati was three of her nicest subs (Michael, Perseus, and the Sengoku guy I don't have) were row focused. Particularly Michael is now ideal for both of them because he makes hearts and green, but even non-devil Perseus is still great (and who knows what his awoken form will bring...) Also it allows you to bring Artemis along without losing too much from her not being devil/healer.


So what does everyone think? Is there endgame potential in this team? Something I'm not considering?
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Cornykova in reply to BiggestFan 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
I don't think it will be endgame material, because your burst is too low. It has survivabilty, but not too much. It's dangerous to mix two types of gameplay in l
1 team. Double A. Astaroth leaders will have a much higher HP, even more rows and a more constant burst potential of 16x, not counting the multiplier for rows, combos, enhanced orbs ... With the right subs, the RCV won't be a problem to match this HP.
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BiggestFan in reply to Cornykova 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
If you replaced Kushi with Freyja in the team I posted, a card I simply didn't include because I don't have, you're looking at 15 rows, and it would solve any burst issues you have. The lack of burst that you cited is much more of a problem for a double Astaroth team than a Parvati/Astaroth team.

Also you shouldn't downplay the difference that 1.5x rcv makes. With reasonable subs, the split lead team has 7200 rcv. An Astaroth team has around 5000(Assuming you have 2 Astaroths, 2 Michaels, Freyja and a flex) probably less. An achievable constant heal rate would be 1 heart match and 7 combos, we can expect to have 3 hearts on most boards, but not 6. So my team can heal 29,965 hp/turn with autoheal. A double Astaroth team is at 23,073/turn (again I want to stress that this is a perfect Astaroth team, mine is just what i made with my box). That gives my team a lot more sustainable hp (about 7,000/turn), as long as you're not getting hit for more than 32,000. It will only take My team 3 turns to surpass Astaroth's effective, cumulative hp (or damage tolerance, whatever you want to call it.)

I admit this isn't taking into account a lot of variables, like over heal, and there are enough big hitting enemies and preempts around that heavily favor double Astaroth. I just don't see your reasoning of "not enough burst" limiting the team's capability. On a heavy burst turn, the 15 row turn will get a 135x multiplier for 1 row before combo multipliers. Compared to a 113 x multiplier for double Astaroths at 18 rows.
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Cornykova in reply to BiggestFan 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
I understand I wasn't clear about the burst : it's easier to activate 1 LS then 2 completely different ones. You need 6 heart orbs for Parvati, and 6 wood orbs for Astaroth. With double Astaroth leads, you only need those wood orbs. This makes it much easier to achieve big bursts on non-boss floors, which you'll need for most mid- and end-game dungeons.

I agree that the RCV on a Parvati team is better, but do you need that much RCV? You'll need boards with 6 hearts to burst, so it's a waste of RCV because you'll over heal.
Double Astaroth leads will have enough RCV to heal back up, but they can also take harder hits then the Parvati team.
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BiggestFan 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Just for reference, a team I threw together with my box:

Parvati/Astaroth/Michael/Kushinidahime/Artemis/Astaroth.

This team has just shy of 32,000 health and 7,200 rcv when hypermaxed, and 13 rows. It has 100% SB resist, unbindable leaders, an unbinding heart row, a 1-turn shield, 3 orb enhances awakenings, and 2,500 auto recover.
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By Low 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
I know I'm late to the party here, but why Sandalphon? I get it for Venus but for a doll loving demon?
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Cornykova 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
They needed a farmable healer to cover her typing. They decided to make her sub attribute light, so it had to be a farmable light healer. I don't think there were any farmable light healers that had any synergy with her pantheon :-)
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-Striku- 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Whenever Cauchy gets naughty,
she locks him up and hides the key.
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By Alesund 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
It's so dumb that we got her pre-buff leader skill. Just bring her over as she is right now in JP and be done with it.
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By Sina 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
I have astaroth, mei mei, avalon drake, the norn verdani, and Christmas Tree Spirit, Alarune. Can i build a decent team with that? I have a lot more devils just in different types but im kind of a noob when it comes to strategy in this game... Im running a mei mei team now and i just hit rank 80. Can anyone help me build an awesome team? here are some of my other noteworthy cards

-Horus
-awoken dancing queen hera-ur (mini)
-Echidna (1 stage before ult evo)
-guan yu * 2 (both are mini)
-Siren (1 stage before ult evo)
-Savior Archangel, Raphael
-Izanagi
-Demon slaying goddess durga
-arbiter of judgement metatron (mini)
-divine queen hera (mini)
-Jester wizard chester
-lu bu * 2 (both mini)
- and Vampire. My friend told me vampire was good when i evolved him
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By Doktor Q 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
It looks like her NA version still has the 1.3x ATK/HP instead of 1.5x. Hopefully we'll get the buff by the time the other archdemons come out.
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Cornykova 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Gungho confirmed on FB that the next update will buff her LS to 1.5
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By Timm@OA 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Every time Astaroth makes a row, something dies.
These are the good times.
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Metrinome 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
More like everything on the screen dies.
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By Xavanic 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/simulator.asp?q=2505.99.1.0.0.0.8..2500.99.1.0.0.0.9..2567.99.1.0.0.0.9..2394.99.1.0.0.0.8..1953.99.1.0.0.0.5..2505.99.1.0.0.0.8,
hows this for a team for her? 15 row enhances
Last edited by Xavanic 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 )
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By Davvinchi 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
The way her leader skill reads: "ATK x3 when simultaneously clearing 6 connected Wood orbs."
Does this stack?
in other words: if you have 3 rows of 6 green orbs each does that make it 3x3x3?
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Metrinome in reply to Daniel9dsi 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
Ok, I think I misunderstoof the original poster's question. Extra rows of greens will increase your damage based on the number of row enhances you have, but the leader skill only procs once.

So if you had 10 row awakenings in your team, and you matched two rows of greens, you'd get 3x (LS) times 3x Green (because 10 row awakenings means 100% extra damage, so two of them makes 200% extra damage, in other words, 3x damage)

Despite making multiple rows, Astaroth's leader skill will only treat it as one activation. That's how it works for pretty much all leader skills unless explicitly stated.
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Daniel9dsi in reply to Metrinome 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
Yea ok I see where the confusion is. You're absolutely right; the row awakening multiplier stacks, but not the leader skill multiplier.
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Metrinome 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
I don't know exactly how it stacks, multiplicative or additive, but it does stack.
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Daniel9dsi in reply to Metrinome 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
No it doesn't
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By Mr Wiggles 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Just uvo'd her recently, I'm realizing I don't have very many good subs for her :/ No Michael, no Artemis, no Freyja... So in choosing subs, is it better to pick Green Healers or Devils (getting the 1.3 LS bonus) or Green Rows? I guess dual A Astaroth leads would give 1.69 bonus, so if I have more than 7 rows (and there's already 6 from leads) it's better to go the row route...

Obviously it's best to have Green Healers/Devils that ALSO have rows, but that limits my pool to Christmas Alraune, Kano, Sasuke, Zuoh, Guan Yinping, G/D or G/L Fafnir, Hellwind Taur Demon, and Cloud of Darkness (FF Collab). ...Actually the first 4 don't sound that bad, maybe I answered my own question :P Any thoughts on type vs. rows for flex subs though?
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Cornykova 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
What Metrinome said. At the momente, there aren't many perfect subs available for A. Astaroth, apart from very lucky REM pulls (Michael, GValk, ceres ...). If you can pair her with a friend A. Astaroth lead, you can sub in basically anything with green rows, preferably with green as main attribute. You'll get anough RCV just from both Astaroths and their lack of HP will be compenasted by the LS. Of course, you should look out for high HP subs, like Perseus, Avalon Drake. A farmable sub with good stats (especially HP) would be Canopus. he has ridiculous weighted stats for such an easy farmable monster, gives you a row, a tpa and an autoheal. His RCV is low, but again, your leads or other subs make up for this.

As for farmable subs who benefit optimally from her LS, you have the options below:

Kaguya-Hime : low CD orb creator (3 wood orbs), but lacks rows. She has very high RCV, and decent HP/ATK for a healer, which is boosted by the LS. The time extend is a useful awakening.
Cauchemar : Brings no RCV to the team, but good HP, full board change and a green row. His shielding AS can be useful to tank pre emptives or heavy hits.
Armadel : sub-par stats, but is farmable and enhances wood orbs (and creates 2, which doesn't help alot for row teams). Her awakenings are all Orb Enhances, so she has no synergy whatsoever. The only thing she brings to the team is the benefit from Astaroth's LS. Unless you have no other option, I wouldn't bring this one.
Cloud (which you have : again, no RCV. Also, her AS is basically useless. A mini nuke with1 turn haste with 15 max cooldown ... She does have a row, but you also need monsters to give you the needed green orbs.

As you can see, she doesn't have many farmable subs, with only Kaguya-Hime and Cauchemar being really suitable.

I would try to farm for a Cauchemar instead of using Zuoh, because of the main attribute difference. They both have no RCV. Then you'll get :

Astaroth - Cauchemar - Alraune - Kano - Sasuke - Astaroth

You'll have 10 rows, 1 delay, 1 heart maker, 1 full board changer, 3 orb changers (including poison and jammer) ,60% skill bind resist, a bind clearer (who is not bind resist). This is actually a decent team, but if you have a monster with 3 rows, sub out Alraune or Kano if you don't need one of them in a dungeon.
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Metrinome 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
It's 1.5x bonus to healers and devils now, after the coop patch. I think if you had to pick one over the other, go for rows. Having a healer or devil type benefits only that monster, but having an extra row benefits everyone.
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Mr Wiggles in reply to Cornykova 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
Wow, awesome detailed analysis! Thanks for the tips, I'll farm Cauchemar whenever he comes around next
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By Mr-ex777 3 years ago ( 9.0.3 ) 
The art from the actual ars goetia demon is scary. Well, the Japanese game developers can make anything adorable if they want to.
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By ms puppet 2 years ago ( 9.5.1 ) 
She's listed twice in the skillup cards section lol
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By kaz 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Anyone else think she's an amazing sub for a healer U/Y team? She got really good atk for a healer, and a very fitting active.
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Daniel9dsi 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Her orb change conflicts with U&Y's orb change, and her awakenings have no synergy whatsoever with a U&Y team.
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By George 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Actually good sub for Aamir.
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Daniel9dsi 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
The fact that you would use Aamir as a lead over Astaroth confounds me
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By SpaceDwarf 3 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
I'm looking for an Awoken Astoroth friend. My ID is 386090351
Last edited by SpaceDwarf 3 years ago ( 8.7.0 )
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By nturtle 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
The only way this card is good is if you stack the healer and devil bonuses together, but that would really only work with a full Awoken Astaroth team since there really aren't any other good devil+healers.
This awoken is really disappointing, and pretty useless overall. Not even a top choice sub for a green team.
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Metrinome 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Actually the sub can be one or the other. Healer and Devil doesn't mean the sub has to have both types.
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K¡ngSwi$ha 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Beautiful sub for an AoA Michael, Moon Flower Artemis, Awoken Freyja wood row team. x220% b/t the four
Last edited by K¡ngSwi$ha 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 )
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By Taupe1030 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
While everyone is bashing on Sylvie's art and saying how she's "unproportional" and "ugly", here we have a character with hands roughly the size of eyes, yet no one's bringing that up?
Last edited by Taupe1030 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 )
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Daniel9dsi 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
You've obviously never seen anime
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Davvinchi 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
LOL, this just made me laugh and laugh, its true her hands ARE smaller than her eyes!
But really, have you ever imagined anime being turned into real people?>>>>"OMG what are those grapefruits doing where her face should be?"
Or really is there a point of reference for why there are swirls around the end of her weapon?
"is she holding it still? where is the wind coming from?"
Personally, I think if you play this game you're gonna have to accept the anime style of features for your characters. With a short haircut anime girls, gain great power!
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Jacky@PG 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
I'm not going to say Sylvie's art has proportion problems but it certainly is ugly compared to her sisters in the Dragonbound series. There's just something about the style of her art compared to her sisters that just doesn't mesh with me.
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StaticG 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
The size of Astaroth's hands are alright. If you were to put your hand on either side of your face I'm pretty sure it would cover roughly half of it. Same goes for Astaroth.
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Taupe1030 in reply to Daniel9dsi 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
this art style is kinda outdated these days
Last edited by Taupe1030 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 )
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