No.2465
うしおととら
 Physical / Devil
7 ★
MP 6000 Cost 25
 LvHPATKRCVWeightSellExp
11621782113225101200
99455315082076450490118800
 *1 Experience gain bonus from same element
 *2 Weighted Stat: HP / 10 + ATK / 5 + RCV / 3
Active: Beast Spear
Change Heart, Jammer, Poison & Lethal Poison orbs to Light orbs. Bind recovery for 3 turns.
CD: 12 Turns ( 6 Turns at Lv.7 )
This card can be used as assist.
Physical & Devil type cards ATK x1.5, RCV x1.5. ATK x2 at 5 combos. ATK x1 for each additional combo, up to ATK x5 at 8 combos.
Skill Up Cards
Assist Bonus Stat
HP +455 ATK +75 RCV +3 ( Max Lv )
HP +554 ATK +100 RCV +48 ( Max Lv & +297 )
Applicable Killer Latents
Evolution
Lv50
Ultimate Evolution
Reverse Ultimate Evolution by using
Grayed out Japanese cards
Shonen Sunday Collab Series
Drop Locations for #2465
This card can be obtained by:
- Evolution from Aotsuki Ushio and Tora
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By steamypunk 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
dude this is one of my fav amine! ushio and tora y hope we have this one in NA so happy to see this on PaD
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By Shoukon 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
It seems either Ushio&Tora or Inuyasha is the Jackpot of this Collab.

If Ushio&Tora happens to be the MP card, I am ready to sell some of my REM cards (including my 2nd Grodin and 2nd Gadius) to get this.

Reason #1:
For a full Devil/Physical Team,
6 combo = Awoken Shiva's maximum multiplier
7 combo = Awoken Bastet's maximum multiplier
8 combo = Awoken Tsukuyomi's maximum multiplier

Reason #2:
My affection towards these two.

Granted that Light Devils or Light Physicals are hard to find,
but Reason #2 should suffice ~
Last edited by Shoukon 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 )
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Chinny 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
Given that Inuyasha is the one with an 8* ulti right out of the gate, I'd say he's more likely to be the MP card, if there is one this Collab.
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By Kaneki 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
Ok so the anime is good the art is good the aeon is pretty good and the lead skill is great...wow j need this card
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By StaticG 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
This guy is crazy.
Compare him to Awoken Shiva and Awoken Bastet and you will see just what I mean.
This power creep is too much...
He is pretty much Nut for physical and devil without more hp (both physical and devil have a lot anyway) with his multiplier starting 1 combo higher than awoken shiva and ending at the same as w/d bastet while being stronger than bastet.

56.25 at 8 combos for physical and devils. :/
Last edited by StaticG 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 )
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Meowmerz 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
Don't know why people have to be sad that a new monster is good. Power creep keeps the game relevant, and it's not like this guy breaks the game.

Consider more than just the multiplier. Shiva and Bastet can build mono color teams and still have an amazing pool of subs to choose from. This guy has light devils and light physical to choose from. There's probably a few decent subs, but nothing immediately comes to mind. And he himself lacks any real offensive tools compared to Shiva/Bastet's TPAs.

So it's a good lead for a segment of monsters that need a good lead. Turn that :/ into a :D!
Last edited by Meowmerz 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 )
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Shoukon in reply to Meowmerz 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
They are sad (probably) because they love some of the old leaders too much.

I can't really blame them, but since I love this anime and these 2 characters, I am happy that they turn out to be a powerful card.
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Ryan 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
Except, he doesn't have great subs like Bastet. Most of physical/devil are row-based damage with rainbow board changer ability so his team damage would be okay'ish but not beating Bastet.
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Shoukon in reply to StaticG 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
Though running a Fire team may be an alternative solution, but since U+T's skill generates Light Orbs, I still prefer a mono-light team.

Yes, there are plenty of Light Physicals and Light Devils.

But, first, I have to emphasize that all Row-Enhances will be DISREGARDED when I evaluate U+T Team.

It is unlikely to make 8 combos while trying to make rows at the same time (unless we are in a 7x6 board, but that is a special case.)

Therefore, row-based cards are, in general, not good in my opinion, with a few exceptions like Awoken Thor for his ATK x2 buff.

Should we apply similar principles for Awoken Bastet or Awoken Shiva Teams, where we focus on TPAs and Orb-Enhances (OE), we will soon know that...
Each of the Light Devils and Light Physicals has 1 TPA AT MOST, and 2 OEs at most (except Single Tora with 5 OEs, but he is a purchased card which may not be obtainable to some people).

Unfortunately, most of them doesn't have BOTH, meaning that those with a TPA have no OE, while those with one or two OEs have no TPA, with the exception of Cinderella (1 TPA, 1 OE), but her Atk is terrible.

In short, they are NOT COMPARABLE to powerful subs like OSIRIS, VISHNU, AWOKEN MEIMEI, SET, AWOKEN HINIKAGUTSUCHI, CAOCAO and more.

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My Conclusion:

U+T's Leader Skill is superb, that much is true.
It is actually the sub pool that holds them back.

BUT, we just can't write U+T off yet.

More and more cards will be introduced later.

Who knows if Baal will suddenly switch from Rows to TPAs and OEs in his Awoken Form (Astaroth just got her illustration of Awoken Form),
or Apollo will become Devil-Type and lean heavily towards TPAs and OEs in his Awoken Form,
or Sun WuKong will have 2 TPAs as his extra awoken-skills in his Super-Ultimate Form.

There is still hope.
And as a devoted Ushio-and-Tora fan, I refuse to give up hope.

Biased I may be, but still... !!
Last edited by Shoukon 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 )
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nathan@N17 in reply to ArkPrime 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Except when you count in the fact that they are AWOKEN evolutions and this is just NORMAL for this guy. It's not even an ult yet. So yes, he is much better
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StaticG in reply to Meowmerz 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
Actually he has many options that are very offensive. True, he does lack as much subs as both Shiva and Bastet, but what he can use are very potent and fill many of the needed spots a similar Awoken Shiva team needs.

Before I start listing all his subs that he can use (both for light teams and fire teams) the face I used (:/ ) is more so unimpressed than sad. I do like that he fills a much needed game for BOTH light physical and light devil, the two types of light that are lacking, just not the power creep. Also, I forgot to mention that he is a BIND IMMUNE Awoken Shiva.

His available subs including this collaboration and anything that will be or are in NA:

Light Options
Board Changers
Ilm -- 1 TPA, 1 SBR, 2 SB, 1 time extend, strong board change
Newest L/F GFE -- 1 TPA, 1 time extend, amazing board change, haste
^ http://puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=2441
Superman -- Colab, 1 TPA, 2 SB, strong board change

Orb Changers
Baal -- 2 SB, decent orb change
Fuma Kotaro -- 1 TPA, fast orb change
L/F Apollo -- 1 TPA, 1 Heart OE, strong orb change
Sun Wukong -- 1 SBR, 2 SB, 1 time extend, can remove binds, strong orb change
Ushio & Tora -- Colab, 1 SBR, 1 time extend, unbindable bind remover, strong heart breaker

Orb Makers
Ars Nova -- 2 Light OE, Light OE active, decent orb maker
Supergirl -- Colab, 1 TPA, 1 skill bind resist, decent orb maker
Souther -- Colab, 1 SBR, strong light maker
Shin -- Colab, 1 TPA, 1 time extend, good light maker

Damage Buff
L/L Izanagi -- 1 TPA, 1 SBR, 1 Heart OE, sadly unsuitable active
TAMADRApurin -- 2 SB, unbindable, 2x buff
Awoken Thor -- 2 SBR, 1 Heart OE, amazing 2x buff, haste

Utility
Mephistopheles -- 1 TPA, bad active
Super Ult Sakuya -- 1 TPA, 2 Light OE, 1 SBR, 1 time extend, poor gravity
Awoken Ra -- 1 SBR, 2 SB, 1 time extend, unbindable, active for high defence enemies
Lum -- Colab, 3 Light OE, 2 Heart OE, active for high defence enemies, delay for rest
Awoken Venus -- 1 TPA, Light OE active
Tora -- Colab, 5 Light OE, 3 SB, 1 time extend, Light OE active, strong haste

Bind Removers
Cinderella -- 1 TPA, unbindable bind remover
Awoken Amaterasu -- 1 TPA, 2 SBR, 2 SB, best bind remover in game, haste

Best Fire Options
Board Changer
Awoken Leilan -- 1 SBR, 2 SB, 1 time extend, good board change, haste
Inuyasha -- Colab, 1 TPA, 2 SBR, 2 time extends, alright board change, haste
Alibaba -- Colab, 2 Light OE, 2 Fire OE, 1 SBR, 1 time extend, amazing board change

Fire Focused Subs
F/L Ares -- 1 TPA, 1 SBR, strong orb change
Awoken Freyr -- 2 TPA, 2 SBR, 1 Heart OE, 2x fire buff, haste
Awoken Horus -- 1 TPA, 2 Fire OE, 2 SBR, 2 SB, 1 time extend, Fire OE active
Awoken Shiva -- 2 TPA, 1 SBR, 2 SB, 2 time extend, Fire OE active and defence breaker

TPA = two-pronged attack
OE = orb enhance
SBR = skill bind resist
SB = skill boosts (only those with 2 or more are mentioned with this)

If I made a team for him (and have everything I listed, which I don’t) it would be

Leader/Friend:
Ushio & Tora
Subs:
http://puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=2441
Fuma Kotaro or L/F Apollo
Awoken Thor
Board Changer or Tora or Lum or RCV statstick (Amaterasu)
Last edited by StaticG 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 )
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ArkPrime 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
This guy is not stronger than bastet. Not even close. He's also not close to being better than Shiva.

You're only looking at the multiplier. If you do that, you'll also conclude awoken yomi is better than yomi dragon. Which is patently not the case.
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By dusz3k@PF 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
So... he has a Stand.
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By Silver Egg 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
I don't know why this is rated so low; it's unbindable and has a better multiplier than okuni at 6 and can go up to 7.5x on 8. It has a decent cd orb changer that can remove poison too, and the 7 combo multiplier is the same as okuni plus his active. The team gets actual hp and recovery too.

Sure, it doesn't have fancy tpas, but it has skill lock all the same and is unbindable. The leader skill is very strong.
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Bzyku 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
I agree - this card is really, really good... there are some better ones but it doesn't mean this one isn't.

Their active isn't bad at all too...

But this is collab gold egg I suppose, so obtaining and skilling it will be far more difficult than regular special god as Bastet or Ra, so don't bother if you aren't starting a new account or had a too heavy vallet
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By Greg! 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
Here's the breakdown of the Damage Multiplier for each number of combos. The passive 1.5x ATK is already included, as well as having two of these as leaders:

<5 combos = 2.25x (1.5*1.5)
5 combos = 9x (3*3)
6 combos = 20.25x (4.5*4.5)
7 combos = 36x (6*6)
8 combos = 56.25x (7.5*7.5)

I'd compare this card to Awoken Yomi, as they both max out at a 56.25x ATK multiplier. You'd think that this 7* Collab unit would be "lel so OP", but he's not. The 1.5x to RCV might not even make up for it, and here's why.

Typically, you'd want to build a Light team around this guy, since he generates Light Orbs after all. And since the ATK and RCV passive multiplier buffs only Physical and Devils, you'd want Light Physical and Light Devil subs. This, sadly, is what makes this guy a somewhat bad leader.

The strength that Awoken Yomi has—include Awoken Bastet and Awoken Shiva if you want to— is that their teams have crap loads of Time Extends. Having two of those leaders automatically gives you 4-6 Time Extends. Not only that, but their maximum damage potential is capped out with enough space to combo craploads of TPA's. Awoken Yomi has excellent subs such as Satsuki, Awoken Haku, the farmable Zaerogoo etc. Awoken Shiva has F/W Cao Cao, Awoken Hinokagutsuchi etc. Awoken Bastet has Liu BAE, Vishnu etc.

Light Physical or Devils? The sub pool isn't amazing. They don't have subs with multiple TPAs and Time Extends.

There's Saria (#2441), a whole board changer with one TPA and one Time Extend. But she runs on Rows, as she has two of them.

There's Ilm, who's almost exactly the same as Saria with one TPA and one Time Extend.

There's the rare Superman, who's almost exactly like the above with one TPA, but no Time Extend.

There's Fuma, a super quick orb changer but with only one TPA and nothing else.

There's Awoken Amaterasu, an excellent sub, but lacking heavily in the offensive department.

There's Awoken Venus with no Time Extend, but a quick CTW.

And there's L/G Sakuya, but who uses her as a sub anyways? She's got a nice set of Awakenings, Time Extend and TPA included. But that Active, though.


There are no outstanding subs for this guy. Everyone is lacking something. Keep in mind that this guy needs 8 combos to maximize his damage potential, where as Awoken Yomi only needs 7, and has craploads of Time Extends.

Just my two cents. I'm pretty sure this will be the start of something new, though. And I wouldn't be surprised seeing this guy clear Floor 10s in Japan.
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Shoukon 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
So the greatest weakness of U&T is their limited choice of subs, or should I say the lack of good subs.

Bringing up a U+T is like an investment...
It pays off if more and more GOOD light Devils and Physicals are introduced later.

For now, we have to wait.
Last edited by Shoukon 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 )
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nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Hate to burst your bubble but this guy is trashing things as we speak. And yes, he clears the ultimate test. Arena. Usually people are using ilm and wukong as a sub and that light/fire girl with the creepy hand (currently JP only). In fact the arena team i seen was zhera, that light fire girl i said, wukong and wukong.
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Greg! in reply to nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
No crap really? Care to link to some youtube videos? I'm curious now lol
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nathan@N17 in reply to Greg! 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
https://youtu.be/UqzAZ9JgF2Q
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Guest 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
The most important aspect of him, or at least at the moment is being unbindable. As far as I'm concern, Yomi and Bastet doesn't have that.
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By Shoukon 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
As a U+T fan, I am saddened that I tried 7 pulls (2 game accounts combined) but still no U+T for me...

I am still looking forward to their Ultimate Evolution, probably the armored version of Ushio and Tora.
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By Shoukon 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
Once again, the rating system does its job just right to mislead people...
... or some people just don't know how to appreciate good characters, game-wise or anime-wise / manga-wise.

Awoken Skill 5.5, I can understand that.
But Leader Skill 5.5?

Yes, the sample size is too small to be valid, just 2 voters by the time I saw it.
And, perhaps I shouldn't be too serious with this rating-system-thing to begin with...

But somehow, this really gets to me.

Sorry about all these ranting, and thank you for listening.
I think I feel a bit better now.
Last edited by Shoukon 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 )
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tobiasK 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
Nah mate someone is just hating.
Someone voted 1 and someone voted 10, so its a average of 5.5.
Both of them were pretty bad if you want normal ratings.
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Shoukon in reply to tobiasK 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
Seems like the only thing I can trust is my analysis and the Monster Book in this website (to search for good subs).
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By Shoukon 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
Ushio & Tora
Cinderella
Fat Chocobo
Awoken Ra
Tora
Ushio & Tora

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9 Orb-Enhance, which means Atk x1.45 on top of the basic orb-enhance multiplier
7 S+, so that U+T, Cinder, Awoken Ra's skills are ready at the very beginning.
3 Sx, a 60% change of skill-bind-resistance only is a bit risky.
5 Fingers, 2.5sec Time-Extend, 6.5sec movement time, fair enough.

If no plus-value:
Total HP = 25176
Total Rcv = 913 x 1.5 x 1.5 = 2054.25 (8.160% of Max HP, pretty low)
Total Light Attribute Atk = 7455.8

If all 297:
Total HP = 31116
Total Rcv = 2695 x 1.5 x 1.5 = 6063.75 (19.49% of Max HP, fairly good)
Total Light Attribute Atk = 10524.8



Consider 4 light combos, each having 3 light orbs, all enhanced.
Total combo = 8.

10524.8 x 1.18 x 1.45 x 4 x 2.75 x 56.25
= 11142408

A full 297, ATK x56.25 mono team dealing a collective damage of 11+Million ONLY,
it is pathetic.

Awoken-Bastet ATK x36 mono team can deal almost double damage for having super-powerful subs such as Vishnu and Osiris.
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chrysoth 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
That's because you picked some of the stupidest subs imaginable. Awoken Ra sub? Cinderella? Really?

A real team would look like this:

Ushio & Tora, Awoken Thor, Ryune, Ryune, Ilm, Ushio & Tora

Five time extends, six skill boosts, five skill bind resists (100%), and eight light rows. If you really want to have seven skill boosts so U&T are available on turn 1, replace one Saria with another Ilm.

Before we get into the damage calculation, let's compare the active skills.

Ushio & Tora has a far, far more useful active than A.Bastet does. A three turn bind clear on a seven turn cooldown, on two unbindable leaders, with a heart AND poison conversion tacked on, is completely amazing. A.Bastet notoriously has difficulty dealing with binds, and Ushio & Tora has one built right into the leader. It's even better than A.Sakuya's, probably.

Saria's active skill can combo with U&T's for more light orbs. Alternatively, you can use it to heal. This is the other main problem that A.Bastet has, but U&T solves - poor healing. Ryune makes this no big deal.

Now, for an actual board. This team has three solid board changers, all with decent cooldowns and hastes. U&T doesn't have any orb count requirement like A.Yomi; you just need the three. With a board change, you can virtually guarantee two rows, one on top and bottom, and then make vertical combos from one side to the other. Let's say that this is all we do: make two light rows, then combo the Fire and Heart orbs in the middle of the board. You pop Thor's active too, since it has roughly 1/4 uptime on this team.

Base damage x leader skill x combos x A.Thor x rows x 6-orb combo x two combos

12,831 x 56.25 x 2.75 x 2 x 2.6 x 1.75 x 2

36,123,274 damage. Far higher than A.Bastet can hit, and on an unbindable team with better orb changers.

Is this likely? No, but neither is running the dumb stuff you said.
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Shoukon in reply to chrysoth 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
I see, so the strategy is forming a row team,
and arrange 1 row, and then seven more combos in the remaining 6×4 board.

I have never considered that before since I was too convinced that rows are not suitable for high-combo-leaders.

But, thanks to Thor's 2× ATK buff, the team's damage will be at least 16 million with just 1 row.

Thanks for your advice.
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Guest in reply to chrysoth 3 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Why ryune though? Shouldn't it be Saria, the light DB? Ryune is dragon/attacker, so she receive no buff from U&T Saria is dragon/physical somshe receive full buff from U&T.
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By hoyun 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
The jackpot of this collab, a combination of super high power, high recovery and a lot of hp. He has the potential to be better than Kite from the Hunter x Hunter series, with even less activation requirements and higher firepower due to easier activation of tpa and multiplier at the same time.

Too bad I'm not a fan of this anime.
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tj 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
High recovery? At 20? Plus Devils and physical monsters never have any. Also his active takes the recovery off the board
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Shoukon in reply to tj 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
Never underestimate the RCV x1.5 (or RCV x2.25 for Double Leaders).
It is similar to Awoken Shiva, and my Awoken Shiva Team's RCV is fairly good.
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tj in reply to Shoukon 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
I don't underestimate 2.25 rcv. I said 20 rcv is a joke and that light devils don't have any either. Now if you want to argue like this other guy about a white red blue black devil team that changes orbs for days into colors that won't help with team synergy.... I would love to see how it would work.
Last edited by tj 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 )
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hoyun in reply to tj 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
There are plenty of devils with high recovery, such as dark valkyrie and pandora
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