No.1747
綺羅の秘女神・カーリー
 God / Healer
7 ★
MP 15000 Cost 60
 LvHPATKRCVWeightSellExp
1110675633537310352513
9930151411633795102465248738
 *1 Experience gain bonus from same element
 *2 Weighted Stat: HP / 10 + ATK / 5 + RCV / 3
Change all orbs to Fire, Water & Wood & Light & Dark orbs.
CD: 12 Turns ( 7 Turns at Lv.6 )
This card can be used as assist.
All attribute cards ATK x5 when attacking with Fire, Water, Light & Dark orb types at the same time. All attribute cards ATK x1.5 when reaching 6 combos or above.
Skill Up Cards
Assist Bonus Stat
HP +302 ATK +71 RCV +95 ( Max Lv )
HP +401 ATK +95 RCV +140 ( Max Lv & +297 )
Applicable Killer Latents
Awoken Skills
Evolution
Lv50
Ultimate Evolution
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This card can be obtained by:
- Evolution from Shining Goddess of Secrets, Kali
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By Hollow 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
ok grape :^) you're not a troll. but you know what you are? stupid. you're spewing a lot of stupidity all over this page.

"It's way too hard to actually get 6 whole combos using Kali without setting up the board."

well you clearly dont know how to play a 25x lead since you should be setting the board up where you can anyways. a simple match 4 for 25x doesnt net you enough damage output to kill most sub bosses nowadays.

and you havent really explained why sakuya (thats her name btw, kirin isn't) is better.
sakuya has farmable subs? k, but i guess if you've rolled kali you probably have rolled some other monsters.
do you know what awakenings are yeah? those 2 prong attacks give a match 4 2.25x more damage. for the record, thats more than double, but for arguments sake, anybody with 2 tpa awakenings now has 50x damage.

"I'm not trolling, how do you even get that impression >:( I'm just trying to get people to know that Kirin really isn't worse than Kali, even with 36x"

did you forget to use your brain? the 36x activates on 6+ combo. assuming 6 combo, your multiplier is 36x 2.25 for the combos you made, x2.25 for any tpa you made. even reducing these numbers for arguments sake, you're looking at over 144x multiplier here (. sakuya does not get anywhere near this on 6 combo (56.25).
and if you want to bring orb enhances into the equation, do realise that enhanced orbs cant go much higher than 1.3 on 3 orb matches, and they have an apparent diminishing return.
take awakenings out and kali is still at 81x compared to sakuyas 56.25x.

"Anyone who says they can do 6 whole combos without proving it is lying. 6 combos is incredible."

I think you're judging the player base skill by your own skill, which from what it seems isnt very good because a lot of people can do much better (bastet, ra, anubis, osiris, okuninushi. many people use these leaders)

"Kirin has a farmable team that can take on actual endgame content."

No she can't. farmable subs for a Sakuya team are mostly orb changers and echidna. you have no chance against Beelzebubs full board preemptive. no chance against ult heras preemptive 33k (because you dont have any tank actives).

"You can't make a farmable team to rival Kirin's."

who the hell would do that anyways? that defeats the purpose of the REM if all you want to do is get farmable subs. again, she is a godfest exclusive, so chances are pretty high that you have already rolled some of kali's subs.

"Why would I pay a gorillion dollars to make a Kali team when I can make a Kirin team with no money at all and beat MORE of the game?"

you ever heard of those free stones? yeah, you can actually do this thing where you dont spend them for a while and then wait until a good godfest. its called saving.

"MORE" of the game? no you can't. if you want to be more convincing about these claims you're making, please show us a video or record your own clears of the rush and challenge dungeons.

"Echidna is still undeniably good, you can't argue that at all. Without her you wouldn't be able to deal the damage that you do."

echidna is not very good anymore because these end game dungeons you claim that your farmable sakuya team can clear, most floors have skill guards. echidna without her active is just a very measly stat stick.
and thats why nobody uses her on kali teams. you can still deal enough damage without her.

And you keep mentioning your orb enhances doing more damage. sorry, but what part of 2.25 looks smaller than 1.4? did you even do maths at school?

right ok, thats enough, i think you probably are a troll after reading all that trash.
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Bruno 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Time has passed and Awoken Sakuya has been released. GungHo decided to make grape happy and buffed her, so now it's a lot better than LKali as lead. However, Kali is still a perfect sub for her. :)
Last edited by Bruno 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 )
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Ben 3 years ago ( 7.5 ) 
Grape had no reply to that...

Roasted
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Hollow in reply to BreaKBeatZ 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
you're getting a little bit confused by what i mean when tpa stacks it seems.
the awakenings stack, but if you match 3 sets of 4 then those are additive just like regular combos.
this is easier if i use numbers to explain (tried and tested).

Hino at max level 0 + egg in attack is 1560 attack.
match 1 tpa, you get 3.375(tpa)*1.25(1 extra orb on the 3 standard)*1560(base).
thats 6581.25, which the game rounds to 6581.

match 2 sets of 4? thats 2 tpa activated.
normally if you match 2 sets of 3 orbs, thats base damage (lets say 1000) + base damage (1000). each time you match a new combo of the same colour it adds the value of that match on its own. so if you match 1 tpa for hino (6581) and 1 3 combo (1560). they add together.
likewise with 2 tpa, its 6851 + 6851.
and same applies to 3 tpa.
so your real multiplier for hino in rgy team matching 3 tpa is:
3*6581*3.5*3.5*1.5(3 combo).
final multiplier on hino's base damage is 232.56, though its slightly less because of rounding.

Hopefully this wasn't too confusing, also i'm not taking into account + orbs.
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Velocity 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
The one problem I have with this post is your assertion that Echidna is not very good anymore. Echidna is very good. Just because the boss has a status shield does not mean you can't use Echidna on other floors. 3 turns on a previous floor is very significant, e.g. killing a sub boss, or stalling for your stronger skills. And yeah, I have beaten all the Ultimate rushes etc. and I used Echidna on all the teams that I cleared those dungeons with (Hathor, Minerva, Ra, Lkali)
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Hollow in reply to m e m e 3 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
yes true, but keep in mind this post was before even L/W sakuya was released :v
and with all those free jewels/pal egg jewels, the evo mat requirements aren't actually too bad
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Hollow in reply to PAD Addict 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
yup thats true, and the same fact holds for kali if you have the subs with the enhance awaken(D/L Yomi and God Valk are 2 common subs i have). just that you have the added tpa and 36x multiplier.
understandably the enhanced orbs arent as potent as with sakuya because you'll have 4 awakenings from just leaders and a 5th to give 100% spawn with a valk or verche sub, but the multiplier from enhanced orbs is less potent per awakening as far as im aware so yeah, still outclassed by tpa and sometimes rows.
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m e m e 3 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
Lmao the new Awoken Kirin outclasses Kali by a lot now. However, it is rather hard to evolve, as it needs a bunch of jewels and Fagan.
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Hollow in reply to Rockhound 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
firstly: are you matching all 4 required orbs?
second: do you actually have all the 4 elements required? just matching all 4 isnt enough, you need units that are of those elements in order for it to register. for example your full team is only light and fire (like l kali), even if you match the water and dark, nothing on your team uses those elements and therefore your leader skill does not work. that should solve your problem. have a good day o/
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Isley 10 months ago ( 11.1 ) 
What the? You do know this is just a game...
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Hollow in reply to ethanjean 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
if you're going to attempt to troll, at least get ganesha's gender correct, k thx bai.
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Anon 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I still find it funny how grape :^) managed to turn this page into Youtube without the videos. Probably just went overboard to look like a troll once he realized how wrong he was.
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Hollow in reply to BreaKBeatZ 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
note that the tpa are multipliers as can be seen when you hover over the awakenings on padx, and the resists are percentages. you can see that row enhances are 10% and indeed they are additive, but tpa says 1.5x not 150% bonus. its been tried and tested and you can do it yourself as well if you have any tpa units.
i would like to mention that hino (or any 3 awaken tpa) has a base tpa multiplier of 3.375 but an actual mutliplier of 4.21875 due to the extra orb used to proc the awakening skill. so factor this into your calculations
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PAD Addict in reply to PewDeePew 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
This may be a little late of a comment... But since orb enhance has been buffed matching three of light orbs on my Kirin team grants me a x1.54... I know it's no where near Kali but it still does some decent damage.
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Hollow in reply to cooolll321 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
i'm not being salty, just shooting down a troll. and i do have lkali, hypermaxed. and another 5.

Here's the evidence because this is the internet and not a single word has weight.

http://imgur.com/uJLGJmS
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Hollow in reply to -Striku- 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Oh yes not to mention that some kali subs even have move time extend awakenings.
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BreaKBeatZ 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Wow there are lots of replies so maybe this was already addressed, but are you sure that 2 TPAs is 2.25x damage? I thought awoken skills didn't stack as multipliers, so it would only be 2x attack. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think I would have noticed if my mini valk and Hino were doing 3.375x with a TPA, and it doesn't seem like it.
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Hollow in reply to BreaKBeatZ 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
It seems the general consensus is that the multipliers are multiplicative, so it may not seem like its 3.375 for a couple of reasons.
1 would be enhanced orbs.
The reason i believe you may be forgetting is that tpa is activated by 4 orbs, not 3. base damage is applied on 3 orbs matched, and as such a 4 orb match already has a default 1.25 mutlipier (1 + 0.25*extra orbs after 3)
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BreaKBeatZ in reply to Hollow 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
But 2 bind resists is 100% resist, not 75%, and 5 jammer resists is 100%, not 67.2%. I figured all awoken skills stacked linearly. I've matched 3x TPA plenty of times on my RGY team, and my Hino doesn't do 465x damage (38*12.25).
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nik in reply to BreaKBeatZ 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Yep, TPAs are multiplicative.
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BreaKBeatZ in reply to nik 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Then why doesn't my Hino do 425x when I match 3 sets of 4 on my RGY team? That multiplier puts Anubis to shame lol. 1.5^9*3.5*3.5 = 425.
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Hollow in reply to nate.r.w 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
hey nate.r.w thats a cool opinion there. oh wait you weren't talking to me were you? poor hallow whoever they are that they're being abused over the internet by a troll.
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cooolll321 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Ok u seem a bit salty, i mean urfacts are good and all but im guessing u have a kirin and not an lkali.
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jaemon82 in reply to BreaKBeatZ 3 years ago ( 7.8.1 ) 
Two prong attack means you hit two enemies instead of one with the same damg made so if you hit 100000 it hit two enemies at 100000 two two prongs would hit 4 enemies your damg hits 4 enemies with the 2.25 added into the damg before hits.
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Rockhound 3 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
I just started playing with Light Kali as I finally evolved her and now up to lv.95. I try the Hera-Is dungeon and the 5x multiplier won't activate when I hit water orbs..... This is some bull.... I just finally got her evolved and its broken.
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submandave 2 years ago ( 9.0.3 ) 
With the latest LS buff your comment on damage output is even stronger. 56.25x for 6+ combos is insane. That goes up to 126x+ for the double TPA, and I run with Izanagi, yielding a total burst for 6+/light TPA of over 250x for everyone packing double dongs. I'm one-shotting things I never imagined, and I'm far from being a PAD combo boss.
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Kira 9 months ago ( 11.1.1 ) 
Why was this made as its own comment instead of put under the comment it is referring t?!. Not even necessary.
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-Striku- 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Hook, line, and sinker!

Kali should give you an easy time with getting that 6 combo with her active. And hey, if you don't reach 6 combos, you still have that 25x!
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Hollow in reply to Velocity 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
I understand where you're coming from.

allow me to amend my comment. The message I intended to get across is that a different sub would allow you to deal more damage. In cases where echidna can actually be used then sure, the 3 turn cooldown can be nice, but it also means you're replacing a (usually) better possible sub with active/awaken/stats more tailored to said dungeon.

My comment wasn't intended to be a shot fired at echidna, but rather denying grape's comment saying that you CAN'T do damage WITHOUT echidna.

Hope this makes sense
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jaemon82 3 years ago ( 7.8.1 ) 
Two prong attack means you hit two enemies instead of one with the same damg made so if you hit 100000 it hit two enemies at 100000 two two prongs would hit 4 enemies your damg hits 4 enemies with the 2.25 added into the damg before hits. So three tpas would give you 2.25 times your creatures base damg times the overall combo multiplier and orb enhance that will hit 6 creatures at your characters end damg count.tpas multiplier only effects that creature not your whole teams damg.
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Mtw FTW 2 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
I think grape :^) needs to lay off the grapes of stupidity. I wonder where he got them grapes from.
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PewDeePew 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
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ethanjean 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
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By Yu no Yuno 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
i thought perfect couldn't get better. turns out i was so, so very wrong
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cerberusdg in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Hm, if you want to go with Kirin, go with her. Everyone has their opinions, but if I were you, LKali is now one of the greatest 36* leads; plus for those terrible matchers like me 1.44* might save your skin by taking out one of those synced to hit demons....
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Sebcas 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
It just did.
It came out in NA!!!
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Milo in reply to PewDeePew 2 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
kali can now hit 7.5x attack
your already pitiful argument is now ridiculously invalid
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Guest 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
One thing about the artwork... she still has 4 arms. Although this is mythological accuracy, I think the appearance department still goes to pandora or Leilan imo
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nathan@N17 in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I don't think I'm ready to pass the throne to you
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nathan@N17 in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
You know. I honestly don't believe anything you say. It's not because you are being ignorant. So why? Because you haven't even posted on the "best x25" page. Not even once but yet you are here blasting it everywhere? Yeah okay. This is all a joke
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PewDeePew in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
agreed, kali isn't good, and kirin isn't good either. it's all about juggler and his x7 ness. his artwork is the best.
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grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
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By Wot 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I swear Puzzle and Dragons has the best art out of any game i have ever played.... this is why i love PaD so much. The clutter/detail in the art reminds me of the bedroom in howls moving castle :D :D :D :D
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Dennis 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
It took a while to get here though. The beginning was certainly not pretty.

The best example of art evolution is Susanoo.
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Zero 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I Love PAD Bear is my personal favorite.
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Anon in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
And LIGHT Kali is totally not a light monster, right guys?

...guys?
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gauchito in reply to Dennis 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Or the original Hades, remember him? That funky skeleton thing? And his evo'd version is more confusing!

And how about the original Helheim dragon? Similar looking art to hades haha, looks like its jaw is falling off.
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Anteka 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Ugh, her art isn't so great, she is the nudiest monster in the game and there isn't much to say about a nude woman but simply that many players of this game love nude women.
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PewDeePew in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
juggler's art is my favorite.
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grape :^) in reply to Zero 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
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By bunker931 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Moderator... We need forum moderator....
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By Sasuke☆*:. 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
That's a lot of comments ...

I just came to say that Kali has the most detailed and intricate art I've seen in this game. I can't wait for her ultimate evolution to come out in North America!

(ノ◕ヮ◕)ノ*:・゚✧ ✧゚・: *ヽ(◕ヮ◕ヽ)
(sparkles of anticipation)
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epharian in reply to NOTnate.rw 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Your face is a lot of comments...
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NOTnate.rw 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
you're a lot of comments.
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By Nemesis 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
This is an ultimate evolution of excellent quality in all respects! Light Kali was already really strong and versatile in nearly all of her traits, and this Uvo only adds to that with an extra skill boost, a nice HP increase, an incredible leader skill buff that boosts her damage from 25x to 36x (!) and some lovely artwork. :3

Light Kali owners everywhere should be pleased - get your evo mats ready~!
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By ??@PF 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
So Kali/Valk/Dark Izanami/Dark Izanami/Sandalphon cant compare to Kirin/Light Izanami/Valk/Verche/Echidna?

Kirin features: 8 light orb enhances, delay, 2 20% gravs, 2 orb changes, 35% shield for a turn, 2 skill boosts (pretty bad) and an autoheal.

Stats: With 16.5k HP and 3k RCV and a 1 turn shield every 4 turns, the team essentially 25.3k HP and 4.6k RCV 1/4 of the time, or an average of:

18.7k HP and 3.4k RCV

Kali features: 1.44x higher multiplier, leaders with double TPA, an orb change, 2 anti orbtroll actives, permanent 35% shield, 2 autoheals, 3 orb enhances, and 4 skill boosts.

Stats: with 20k HP and 2.6k RCV and permanent shield, the team basically has:

31k HP and 4.1k HP

Now for the damage calcs

I'll assume you make TPA's with Kali and sets of 3 with Kirin, so 3 sets of 4 for kali and 4 sets of 3 for Kirin, and then match 1 set of the other 3 colors; Kirin has 7 combos and Kali has 6

Kali light damage:

2.25x is the combo multiplier, 1.25x is the boost from making 4 orbs, 36x is the damage multiplier. The team has 3 orb enhances, so I'll round down and assume that each set of 4 has 2 enhanced orbs in each, so an additional 1.12x from the enhanced orbs and 1.15x from the orb enhancement awakenings. 3 sets of TPA are made, so multiply all light damage by 3.

2822 light damage with double TPA (Kalis): an additional 2.25x from the TPA awakenings.
2.25*2.25*1.25*36*1.12*1.15*2822*3 = 2,484,114 light damage from the Kali leads.

1489 light damage with single TPA (Valk): an additional 1.5x from the TPA awakenings.
2.25*1.5*1.25*1.12*1.15*36*1489 = 873,810 damage from Valk.

1207 light damage without TPA (Sandaphon): no additional multipliers.
2.25*1.25*1.12*1.15*36*1207 = 472,214 damage from Sandalphon.

For a total of: 3,830,138 light damage

Other damage:

3,002 dark attack (Izanami): No additional mults.
2.25*1*36*3002 = 243,162 dark damage.

1941 red damage (Kali and Izanami): no additional mults.
2.25*1*36*3002 = 157,221 fire damage

402 water damage (Sandalphon): no more multipliers.
402*1*36*402 = 32,562 water damage

KALI TEAM TOTAL DAMAGE:
4,263,083 damage






Now Kirin damage:
2.5x for the combo multiplier, 1.4x for the orb enhances, 4 because 4 sets of 3, 1.18x for the orbs enhanced, and 25x from the leader skill.

Kirin light damage:

7168 total light damage (all monsters but Echidna): no additional multipliers.
4*2.5*25*1.18*1.4*7168 = 2,960,384 total light damage.

Other damage:

1593 fire damage (Echidna): no more multipliers
2.5*25*1 = 99,562 fire damage

412 water damage (Izanami): no more multipliers
2.5*25*1*412 = 25,720 water damage

496 wood damage (Valk): no more multipliers
2.5*25*1*496 = 31,000 wood damage

KIRIN TOTAL DAMAGE: 3,116,696 damage


That is a difference of 1.14 million damage, which is pretty huge.

But wait! Kirin has a double orb change!

Kali has a 2x enhance for the light damage, Kirin has a 1.5x multiplier for light damage; the normal board has 5 of each color, so with a single orb change, Kirin has 10, and then 15 with double, while Kali has 10 with a single, and effectively 20 with Sandalphon.


Now please stfu, grape :^)

Also, when orb changing, orb enhance awakenings do not affect the changed orbs, so Kali's damage will remain relatively constant while Kirin will drop more than Kali when orb changing.
Last edited by ??@PF 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 )
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Sonofyin 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Don't bicker about Kali or Kirin, they're both GRT and before I had both i was just happy to have a unit with a 5x ATK boost anyway.
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??@PF in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Also, if you want to keep spewing BS like "Kirin can do more dungeons than Kali", here's Kali doing the 2 hardest dungeons in the game. Can Kirin do that? No she cannot.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zRYwhOBXamg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbpYDhW2bgA
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??@PF in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Ok, fine, whatever, U&Y is better than Kirin but ill just agree with you then and say Kirin is the best 25x leader.

Kali is the best 36x color/combo lead.

/argument

Also double TPA on top of 36x isnt a tiny amount, it equals 101x multiplier on Kali per TPA activation while Kirin is only at 25*1.25*1.24*1.4 = 54x with 4 orbs, and I didnt even include the 3 orb enhancement awakenings on Kali's team. With just 1 orb enhanced in that group of 4, Kali will be hitting at 122x, and Valk will be hitting at 80x

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??@PF in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Its not too hard to non light/heal orbs for a turn or 2 when you essentially have 31k HP and 4.1k RCV.

Focusing damage also doesn't mean anything if you do less damage anyways.
Last edited by ??@PF 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 )
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??@PF in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Watch the videos I posted then, he didn't even had Fuma, the closest thing he had to a light orb changer was Kali, yet he beat the 2 hardest dungeons in the game, Kirin can definitely not do that.

Kali may have less light attack than Kirin without multipliers, but Kali has an additional 1.44x so she ends up having more attack after multipliers, and TPA definitely boosts damage more than orb enhances.

It's also false that you have to OHKO bosses in harder dungeons right away. You have to do that in older descends like Goemon and Hera Is, but in newer ones like the Grimoires and Zhao Yun, you get time to kill them. Zhao Yun sets up a combo shield first turn, and then only hits for 11k or a gravity, neither of which will kill you, and Grimoires do very little damage until you hit them below 50%, but Kirin will get one shot when you hit them below 50 while Kali can still take hits with Izanami.

Even with the hard descends like Zeus Vulcan, the boss only hits for 14k first turn and 17k below 30%, which is much lower than monsters like Goemon who hit 34k first turn, or Valk who hits for 17k first turn, and over 30k under 40% health.
Last edited by ??@PF 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 )
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??@PF in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Constant damage to the whole team doesn't really matter since TPA outdamages orb enhance already. The only time Kirin hits harder is if you only have 3 light orbs, but that damage is negligible, and Kali does so much more damage with just 1 more light orb
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??@PF in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Also, yeah, he would have probably used less stones had he brought a damage reduction, but 1 damage reduction isnt gonna knock off 20 stones.
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Etherious in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
Dude, my L Kali is lv 56 with minimal plus eggs (like 3). I'm running 2 REM subs, Okuninushi(for the time extend, otherwise no use) and arcline (well I got lucky, so?). I use echidna, and rainbow keeper as my other subs. With 2 TPA, after using an L Kali active (believe me, RNG hates my guts, but on average it gives me 8 light orbs) and 6 combos(with 3 time extends, it's easy- I'm also counting my l Kali friend) and arcline buff, I can generate enough damage to one shot starlight sanctuary Hera, sleepless castle Hera, and berserk & Highlander, not to mention, Goemon on mythical. Sakuya is pretty good, that's undeniable with the new super ult, but only Kali gives you double TPA, and it's all about the TPA(only talking about 36x otherwise U&Y it's amazing). And also active skill wise, I'd rather take a guaranteed board than a 20% gravity, that's what Hera is for. I might be a bit biased, I don't have a Sakuya but as a person whose spun both Kali, I have to ask, does Sakuya have a best friend like d Kali because l Kali's best friend is d Kali.
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Milo in reply to Etherious 2 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
The team that I use is more than enough to get me through most high-level descends:
LKali
L/D Izanagi gives a god spike and is a very good L/D monster
LMeta I use as a bind clearer. As soon as skill transfer comes to N/A, I'm giving her my Zeta Hydra's skill so that she has a delay. For now, if I'm not worried about being bound in a dungeon, I use Christmas Lilith.
Fuma Kotaro because...well, it should be obvious.
Yuna gives me a fast shield and two skill bind resists.
LKali

Yes, this team is incredibly rem-heavy. But I could probably manage a farmable team:
Lkali
LValk gives light orbs
Fenrir knight gets rid of wood orbs (and he's getting a reincarnate ult :3)
DIzanami is a good shield and it provides that much-needed dark attribute
and some form of bind-clearer and/or spike. Let's face it, if I'm hypermaxing my team anyways, I love Padbear could work. He's got a small spike, two SBR, AND two bind clears.
LKali

I believe your argument is, indeed, invalid grape :^).

Six combos consistently is simple. hard to do is ten consistently. Shut up, troll.
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nathan@N17 in reply to PewDeePew 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
And you will never use him so quit jacking off to very expensive youtube teams. It's obvious you're trying to be dumb or funny. I don't think anybody here cares that you don't like kali
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PewDeePew in reply to nathan@N17 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
"And you will never use him so quit jacking off to very expensive youtube teams. It's obvious you're trying to be dumb or funny. I don't think anybody here cares that you don't like kali"

You will never get L Kali either, or never use her either. So no body here cares that you don't have L kali and you won't use L Kali. If you do use her, add me, because I use L Kali in game 24/7. my id is 347.454.293 What makes you think I don't like L Kali? I use her in game 24/7.
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??@PF in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Here's a Kirin attempt at c10. It may not be the optimal team to do c10 with, but its very REM heavy and completely hypermaxed, yet 20 stones were needed.

She doesn't have the firepower or the bulk needed to clear c10, her damage is much much lower and she only has 1 anti orb troll active, while Kali has 3 with the double leaders and DKali sub
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Zcdbak1OJo
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grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Except you're not going to get a board with 3 TPAs with that team: that's 12 orbs that you need to get with 1 orb changer and 2 guaranteed orb changers that only give around 6 *light orbs on average. But with Verche + Valk, you actually have the ability to get that many orbs on your board.

Your calculations are meaningless if you can't realistically explain how you'll get 12 orbs onto the board without Fuma. Kirin deals more damage and can also focus damage, can Kali say the same? I don't think so.
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nathan@N17 in reply to PewDeePew 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Lol you're such a joke. Don't even have the balls to give out your real number unless you really are rank 3
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PewDeePew 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
juggler beats everything.
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nathan@N17 in reply to PewDeePew 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Again you don't have him
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PewDeePew in reply to nathan@N17 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Yeah. I don't have juggler but I do have L kali and use her as leader in game 24/7. What's your point?
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PewDeePew in reply to ??@PF 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
screw both kirin and kali. There's juggler who can do x49 and does like 6m every turn.
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nathan@N17 in reply to PewDeePew 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I have l kali dumb@$$. I said you wouldn't get juggler. I don't give a d@mn if you have kali or not. Look me up or ask anybody that knows me if you don't believe it
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By mazzafakka 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
finally dat UEvo!!!!!!!!!!!!!! *happy*
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By Sena 2 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
They need to make machine Kali with full metal alchemy.
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By Sonofyin 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
This artist did an amazing job.
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By ふたなり(030) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
now X 36 this is OP
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Nemesis in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
~Citations needed.~

Sakuya's a great leader and super strong in her own right, but I'm pretty sure Kali outdamages U&Y, Sakuya and Durga now. 25x to 36x is a /serious/ power boost and she still has her double TPAs to boot.
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mid135@/r in reply to baggi 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Not equal, she needs 4 attributes, dKali needs 5.
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-Striku- in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
"Sakuya deals more damage with only 25x"

Sakuya: 25x
Kali: 25x (36x when reaching 6 combos)

Your logic though...
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baggi 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
or equal to dkali and the numerous other 6x monsters
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its-fineTM in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Prove it then. Otherwise your comment hold no weight.
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nathan@N17 in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
The only thing kirin has over the others is being able to be made into a huge hp x25 tank team.....but you can't argue against a x36 2 tpa card with a board change. Durga has her x2 though. But anyways still kali
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By Char@PF 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
My anaconda still don't.
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★Liao24★ 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
But you gotta eat the booty like groceries.
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PewDeePew 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
want no buns, hun, but your anaconda wants juggler.
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By Nikhil 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Kali is way better than Kirin. That being said, Kirin is still a good leader. Those of us with Kali have to remember that there are still some poor souls (Like grape) who have not yet been blessed with a Kali. So while I agree that Kali is far superior to Kirin, this is just a reminder the Kirin is still great.
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Chari in reply to Greg! 3 years ago ( 7.5 ) 
Kirin already has her first Uevo. Wait your turn on anything else. :P
Kirin has better stats than L.Kali, but mini-gravity vs a guaranteed board, along with Kali's excellent awakenings, puts her ahead.
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Greg! 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
This is true at the moment.

This makes me wish the Chinese Gods (especially Kirin) get their Awoken Evolutions next! I wonder what they have in store for them.
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By epharian 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
SO very happy now.

About frickin time.
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By Trolololol 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I've decided to write a short blank space parody to express how I feel about this new Kali.
Now she's changed and reckless,
She'll take this way too far,
She'll leave you empowered,
Or with a nasty scar,
There's a long list of ex orb girls,
They'll tell you she's insane,
But she's got a blank space, players,
And she'll write your name.
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By Dillon 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
looks like grape :^) is just trying to get as many downvotes as possible so im gonna upvote all of his comments instead. take that you silly troll!!!
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??@PF 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Hes definitely trolling at this point LOL he said doing 6 combos consistently was incredibly hard
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Dillon in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
oh well if you're not a troll then you must be experiencing some extreme jealousy to have become obsessed with l.kali to such an extent. kinda explains all the bs you've spewed out huh?
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its-fineTM in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
If you think doing over 6 combo is hard then I really want to know how you deal with Kushinada, Bastet and Anubis, whose main power come from >5 combo. 25x/36x leader are no different either.

And BTW, nobody said anything about Kirin being inferior until you brought it up. So really, it's all your fault you hypocrite.
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foxwaffles in reply to ??@PF 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Ehhhh I'm having issues making 6 combos. Are we saying 6 combos with the extra time or 6 combos raw with no extra time? The former isn't too bad but the latter, on top of matching TPAs, can get a bit difficult...
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Bob in reply to its-fineTM 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Its not really the 6 combos that are hard, its the conditionals that come with the 6 combos. There are 4 specific types that come with out the 6 combos. There are a lot of times where I can only find 2 of a specific type of orb on the board.
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PewDeePew 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
grape is trolling. It's Juggler FTW.
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-Striku- in reply to foxwaffles 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
More combos requires good planning. I'm assuming grape :^) was rushing on his board matching.
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PewDeePew in reply to Dillon 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
juggler outburst both kirin and kali.
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grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I'm not a troll though, sorry if my posts seem trolly :((
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By Sonofyin 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Probably posted this already but this is some really beautiful art :)
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By Sasuke☆*:. 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Kālī is the Hindu goddess associated with empowerment, shakti. She is the fierce aspect of the goddess Durga (Parvati). The name Kali comes from kāla, which means black, time, death, lord of death: Shiva. Since Shiva is called Kāla— the eternal time — the name of Kālī, his consort, also means "Time" or "Death" (as in "time has come"). Hence, Kāli is the Goddess of Time, Change, Power and Destruction. ~Wikipedia

This is so cool! I love how GungHo researches their characters and designs them accordingly. Does this imply that Kali, Durga, and Parvati are all kind of similar? Food for thought.

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By LuckyDucky 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
i hav every coloured jewel except the red one x.x
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Miso◬|OA in reply to saito 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
If you Leilan doesn't appear, just quit the dungeon and redo it until she appears. It may waste stamina, but it's worth it.
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saito 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Well, the Gift of the Holy Beasts dungeon is available currently.
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Zero 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
PAL Machine is dropping jewels right now too, if you're feeling lucky.
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By aszma 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
so everyone knows how big the x1.2 buff really was. At 4 combos you have a regular 5x5=25 multiplier with two tpa it becomes 25x2.25=56.25 multiplier . At 6 combo you get a 5x5x1.2x1.2=36 multiplier combined with a tpa you get a 5x5x1.2x1.2x2.25=81 multiplier. now if we were to get into specifics if you were to hit a minimum of 6 combos while procing the x5 assuming you only get one light tpa itll look something like this.

x36 (from leaderskill)
x2.25 (from double tpa)
x2.25 (from 6 combo multiplier)

36x2.25x2.25=182.25 which is a huge multiplier

Kalis based attack is 1411. 1411x182.25= 257,154 which would be minimum damage off one kali if you were to use her correctly.
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aszma in reply to roonbloke 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Actually having pulled a kali and have been using it quite frequently getting a tpa + the 4 combo requirement is quite easy especially with the orb extend and the right orb changers. Not only that but kalis active gives you all the orbs to get a 6 combo easily and most times its given me 4 light orbs. so no worrys man!
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nickjr 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
"Doing 6 combos consistently is way too stupidly hard, it is quite the hat trick. That's more than half the board! No one can do that except for pros on youtube."

???????

I would ask if you're serious, but I can tell you're being serious (I did laugh at your lack of evidence earlier, but I've never believed you're a troll; you just seem like someone who's really stubborn or persistent or something)...

6 combos on a regular basis without skyfall isn't that hard...

?????????????

how long have you been playing? how long have you been using Kirin (I'm guessing you have her, from your posts)? or if you don't have Kirin, then have you been using a similar color/combo lead (DQXQ, Horus, Bastet, Kushinada, etc. as opposed to Freyr, Hermes, Valkyrie, etc.), and if so, how long/how often have you been using that lead?

6 combos really isn't that hard 0___0 it's why Okuninushi only gives 16x for 6+ combos... Difficult if you're just starting PAD or something like that, but if you're using combo/color leads--even just DQXQ--a lot, then you really should be hitting 6+ combos on a regular basis eventually, either for the higher multiplier (Bastet's healer uvo, Ronia's uvo, etc) or for clearing the board (Chinese gods, including Kirin, etc).

I guarantee you a LARGE majority of the older descendeds have builds on this site with Bastet's woof/light uvo, and they keep saying to burst 16x, 16x, 16x, keep hitting 7 combos for that 16x multiplier. 7 combos is tougher, but it should say something when Bastet builds for older descendeds (the descendeds where 16x is viable) are really common.

Same goes for all of Okuninushi's forms (6 combos), although to a lesser extent before his uvo came out since it seems like wood/light Bastet was more popular than Okuninushi's final normal evo.

Colors are a different matter, so I didn't address that here

(edited for slight clarification and addition)
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Chinny 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
That's not even considering chain length or combo count, so the damage is actually higher!
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aszma in reply to Chinny 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Yea looking back i forgot to add some things such as another x1.33 because youd have 4 light orbs and other things so it would be even high which is insane!!!
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roonbloke 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
That's going to be a pretty tough activation to pull off though, even with her active. Getting the light TPA and the combo and all four of the needed colors is quite the hat trick, if you don't set up the board first.
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PewDeePew 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
juggler is unbindable, and unstoppable. and can beat both kirin and lkali.
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By Caedes 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
One True Goddess. <3
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By Greg! 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Is grape trying to be the next Jerry?
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Nemesis 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I can't quite appreciate their efforts if so, at least Jerry varies his comments somewhat and doesn't stick to Yomi posts. They're probably closer to a generic troll, likewise for PewDeePew, and I'd say they're doing a decent job!
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Anon 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Nope. Jerry doesn't stay on topic. That and he's legitimately funny (not funny in a pitiful way.)
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By Jesus 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Now the best leader in the game.
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DailyGrind 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Only until Awoken Egyptians show up :)
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By Keltgirl 3 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
This has all been very informative as well as highly entertaining! I don't think I have had to scroll through this many comments, arguments, long long arguments and pi..ing matches ever on PAD before! Keep up the good work it has helped me make some determinations as to my own teams
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By mazzafakka 2 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
with her new x56.25 buff kali is back in the game. me likey!
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By nickjr 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
So Google's giving me "Kira secret goddess, Kali".

Going by her previous forms' names and my exposure to anime (sue me)... Sparkling Goddess of Secrets, Kali?
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By Kai 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Wow... Just wow... This was my first response when I saw this. My U&Y is so outclassed this is not even funny. I almost considered deleting my account and rerolling just for this. However, then I started thinking: could U&Y still be better? Or at least even? I am biased because I want them to be but here is what I came up with, calculating just just for them as leaders, not based on subs because that is a lot of math, plus I don't know enough about building a Kali team. Kali is better for one match of four orbs, U&Y for two. Here is my math, it may be flawed(The math teacher at my school says math "meth" so I have been taught meth, and this is what i came up with)

Kali(max level, no pluses) damage for one pair of four orbs, plus the six combos needed to get her leader skill: 1411x2.25x2.25x1.25x36=321,443

To make it easy to catch my mistakes i will explain where i got each number. 1411 is her attack at max level. 2.25 because of the ta. 2.25 because of the 6 combo. 1.25 for matching four orbs. 36 for her leader skill.

U&Y(max level, no pluses) damage for one pair of four orbs, plus six combos, just so we have all factors other than monster skills and stats equal: 1251x2.25x2.25x1.25x1.42x25=281,035

Again, an explanation of where i got my numbers from. Everything is the same as Kali, except a different base attack, 25 instead of 36 for the leader skill, and the 1.42 bonus you would get from matching enhanced water orbs.

Now, Kali for two matches. I'm just going to use the number from before as a base. 321,443x1.25x1.25x2.25=1,130,073

The 321,443 comes from the previous math, with the two 1.25s coming from the extra combo and match of four orbs, and the 2.25 coming from the extra TPA.

Now U&Y for 2 matches. 281,035x1.25x1.25x2.25x1.42=1,402,979

Same as Kali but different base number, and an additional 1.42 for orb enhances.

Thoughts? Am I on to something? Are they equal? Kali better? I know I left out some factors with team compositions and all but in terms of the math am I solid? Let me know your thoughts

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Firecat in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Look I have been a heavy Kirin proponent for a long long time but now that this ult is here Kirin is flat outclassed. Getting 6 combos with a 5x leader is pretty much standard so you're basically operating at 36x for every turn as opposed to 25x. With this ult there is no real reason to use Kirin over Kali in any capacity, especially now that Kali has skill up fodder.

Before this ult I could argue for the Kirin utility awakens but now that Kali is effectively a 6x leader instead of a 5x leader for the same basic difficulty of activation there is no earthly reason to use Kirin over Kali if you have kali. I love my Kirin to death but because I have three I fed my plussed Kirin to L Kali in preparation for this and starting practicing with L Kali. Only in terms of farmable subs is kirin better. After that its Kali all the way.

Kali is now unequivocally the best 5x leader in the game. Nothing can remotely touch her. She has double two prongs, she has double skill boosts, the best active of all the 5x leaders, and effectively runs at 6x once you ult her. If you have her and have some decent subs for her there is no reason to run any other 5x over her.
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Kai in reply to Firecat 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
it's true what you say about the consistency of Kali's 36x attack being valuable, but a four orb match with 5 orb enhances for blue on a U&Y team, which is pretty common, gives a bigger boost than 1.44 times, meaning U&Y actually has a higher multiplier, at least for blue. Im not saying U&Y is better, I'm just a long time U and Y fan who does't want to admit he is totally outclassed. Thoughts?
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寒天 in reply to Kai 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
In terms of damage output, I think Kali's ult only put her a bit past UY. Kali's active is just a countermeasure for orbtroll without Fuma, but UY specifically creates more water orbs. This is the equivalent of having two Fumas in a Kali team. Combined with a Kali or just a plain good board, UY can produce just as many water orbs as there are light orbs in a Kali+Fuma board, and a good portion of it is enhanced already. There's also the on-color synergy with both SQ and Muse, and BValk >>>>> LValk.
I've even considered putting in Sarasvati for some dungeons because her active produces fully enhanced water skyfall, which, after trying Extreme Dragon Rush and seeing what Beyzul's skyfall skill did, can be ridiculously powerful. I think I took out 2/3 of Threedia once, which amounts to about 7 million damage, with no conversions or enhance.
Let's also not forget that water seems to be kinda neglected by GungHo, so there are hardly any descend bosses/mid-bosses that have specific defenses against water, while a lot of bosses absorb/halve light. The only huge obstacles I know of are Threedia and his preposterous HP, and UY in Wadatsumi which absorbs wood.

With consistency, though, Kali is definitely better. Two on-color board refreshers that guarantee 7 combos or more lets you plow through stuff more easily.

That being said, I have an ideal UY team but not a great Kali team so take what I say with a grain of salt.
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By milkyway 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Absolutely stunning artwork in every way, color, body beauty..
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By Trump2016 3 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
Don't know much about this game. I signed up here just to say that I have been collecting fantasy art since the early 80s and this is one of the finest pieces I have seen in the last 30+ years and ask if any of you know the artist's name. Incredible colors. Excellent shading. Gorgeous hybrid art nouveau style. I'm a fan.
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Saki 2 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
The artist is Kazama Raita. He also did the artwork for a lot of other cards, like most of the mechanical star god series. He's fantastic.
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By Josh-PF/BB 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I can't wait...
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PewDeePew 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
she is a good sub for juggler.
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By saito 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Boy..... I wish it was out right now in NA.....
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PewDeePew 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
juggler is out, he is good for 7x with super easy burst. 2 set of hearts orbs and you are good to go.
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By Jay 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
so i just got this...the basic non-evolved version and I know it is an awesome monster just by visual but than i read the leadership and i was like, how in the world do i get to this cards level in order to pull off her leadership skill? some hint on where to train would be great. btw i'm a return player (account transfer fail therefore iced for 3 months), but at my current orb matching level it would be like giving a toddler an Lambo.
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Mason 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Im not sure what skill level you are at, and perhaps you already do these things when you play... but you can google puzzle and dragons orb tricks and see some videos on youtube (example: The Hook). If you practice enough in endless corridors the tricks will become natural. its not so much getting big combos every turn that youll wanna focus on, but rather learning how the orbs move in response to the one you drag, as well as how you can manipulate them when they are in "uncomfortable" places. Its basically just familiarizing yourself with different situations and your available options--and then becoming proficient at applying those skills when needed.
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By Animaze@PG 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Come to the U.S Kali uevo D: im dying here waiting for you T^T
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By jackm99 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
When will this be released in the USA? I can't wait to get this ultimate card.
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By cerberusdg 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Great artwork!! On par with DKali now; even better maybe.
LKali - 4 colors (F/W/L&D) for 5* + 1.20* when reaching 6 combos or above = 6* (DKali)
DKali - 5 colors (F/W/WD/D&H) for 6* = 6*
Chances are making 5 combo will net you a skyfall, getting 6 and well......DKali? DKali for 5 colors (one is heart) and getting a 6*. Now put in TPA (LKali = 36 * 2.25 = 81 multiplier) [DKali = 36 * 1.5 = 54 multiplier].
Varies on your skill getting LKali colors put not reaching 6? No TPA too? Ugh. Same could be said for DKali. But experienced versus experienced player will have LKali trump.....
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By grace 3 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
Oh Kali, Beautiful Kali
How I adore your colors
You are brighter than any star
Stronger than any Kirin
if only you would gracefully grace me
with your sparkling presence...
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By LittleCat 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
why doesn't lkali have a itty bitty shiva like dkali?
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By Hero 2 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Red Sonia welcomes Kali to the ex-flavor of the month club, reduced to subs and awaiting new ultimates to compete with the newer cards. Power creep is so cruel.
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By Black Vise 2 years ago ( 9.2.1 ) 
y no buff? still good sub tho
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By CamM 1 year ago ( 9.6.3 ) 
It's just a game, but it feels like a federal court case...
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By -Striku- 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
@Pewdeepew

Are you telling us that our efforts with our special monsters were all in vain with your juggler rants?

Are you even a little upset that juggler made the rest of your monsters feel like trash?

Granted, he is powerful. But for me (applying to this game and to other F2P P2W games), having that one monster overpowering everyone will break the game and make it feel "boring".

If you continue to think that many awesome monsters in this game are utter trash because of juggler, then I'm not sure you are playing this game correctly.
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NOTnate.rw 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
no one cares.
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By hypamike11 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
No ultimate evolution? Am I to believe that she will be getting one in the future? She already seems ridiculous enough as is...
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Jerry@LL 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
mike ur better than that this is the uvo dont u understand? mike are u at a roller skating rink because ur post has me spinning and tripping and eating frozen piza
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By -ck- 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Wow dat leader skill...
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By Inagaki 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
*W* I only need a keeper of rainbow D': !!!
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By LuckyDucky 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
bewbs
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PewDeePew 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
juggler have the biggest bewbs possible.
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By nathan@N17 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Pewdeepew. Nobody thinks you're funny and it's very obvious that's all you're trying to be. Nobody cares what you have to say because all you keep blabbering about is juggler. You don't know what you are talking about
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PewDeePew in reply to nathan@N17 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
let's just say that each card have their own speciality on their own terms and end this discussion now. Dark Meta is super powerful but can't beat athena descend. Satan teams is super powerful cannot beat Zues dios descend. Same thing with Juggler and L kali. Just because L kali can do what juggler can't do, doesn't mean juggler isn't powerful. There is no perfect team to beat all dungeons.
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PewDeePew 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
so you think kali outclasses juggler??? You sure I don't know what I am talking about? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLm6UGvVPYA In this video, juggler at 0:41 does like 1m dmg, and each pandora sub does like 800k, 1:45, juggler does like 3.2m, and each pandora subs does like 2.51m. So in your opinion, l kali can outburst juggler????

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XiOLHKxDXeQ Juggler beating ultimate endless corridor? So lkali can do the same thing? Each L Kali's sub can do like 1m damage? If L Kali team can do that, I am heavily mistaken and I do admit that L Kali outburst juggler.
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nathan@N17 in reply to PewDeePew 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
No you don't know. Why do i say that? Because even though all you can bring up are dreamy REM DUPLICATE teams. I'm not saying a team can't be fully rem but four pandoras is such a stupid example. Regardless of damage, the ideal kali team can breeze through a descend without a worry. With juggler, sure he can't be bound but pandora can and she's the only thing giving him that firepower. He doesn't have the rows, and the more pandoras you take out of that team, or any other card to sub in something to take care of binds and such..you lose more and more attack. It's pure power kali against a flashy juggler that needs subs. So yes i think with the bare minimum on each team kali will surpass juggler in damage by a mile
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PewDeePew 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
oh, and juggler with parvati beating the kourin as boss dungeon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYFgiarw33w
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??@PF 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
juggler is the best monster though
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PewDeePew 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
There's also controversy with gungho making comment on how come they even made juggler. The official Final fantasy representative actually got death threats on his twitter with him making juggler that powerful. The players said that he only made juggler so that it can break puzzle and dragons and make his final fantasy game more popular. Do you even hear any controversy with L Kali on how is that too OP or too broken? I haven't heard of any controversy regarding ultimate l kali.
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nathan@N17 in reply to PewDeePew 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Alright so you want to judge how powerful each cards are? By themselves who can do the most damage? I've seen literally just anubis leads crash descends, juggler can't do that. Kali can't do that. So since you really want to judge cards to each other, there you go. Nobody is talking about perfect teams. Juggler doesn't do anything these other cards can't. Last time i checked there are tons of vids of just about any combo of teams beating descends well before juggler came across. So really he doesn't break anything, there isn't a dungeon only he can beat. People are just confused or don't realize that. I mean if you want to talk broken, i seen a robin with just a ra on the team with an anubis friend beat a dungeon
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PewDeePew in reply to nathan@N17 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
You are the one that doesn't know what you are talking about. Just because Pandoras can be bound doesn't mean anything. All of L Kali's sub can be bound too. and if one of the colors in L Kali's subset is bound, L Kali's power is meaningless. She will not be able to activate her leader skill. I am using the same argument as you are to juggler. L Kali needs water and dark. and needs to take care of the binds and such. Both the water and dark subs are the one that gives L Kali her firepower.
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nathan@N17 in reply to PewDeePew 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Well look at that, an actual decent intelligent comment from you that i can actually respect. Though dmeta could beat athena. Use a damage reducer against gigas, kill. Let chu chu hit you, kill. Let sieg hit you, kill. Let athena hit you, destroy her world.....but yes. I agree i will drop it and say both are good
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By Qianweijia 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I can't believe they fit all of the new ulti evo into a portrait.
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By Hank 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I believe the actual translation is "Optimum Waifu, Kali"
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grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
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By K¡ngSwi$ha 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Contemplating dusting off my account solely for this Ult alone. I just recently started talking to family again so I'm sure diving back into PAD will make this years reunion just as awkward as the last, if not more so. But idk man. I've got a gf now, a sixpack, a good job that pays well, I've been surfing more often, I can't exactly just give that stuff up for Kali wo feeling the guilt, but I might still do it. ODIN GIVE ME STRENGTH!
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By Guest 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
She is way too designed.
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By toastedblt 3 years ago ( 8.0.4 ) 
How is this for a Healer L Kali team?
LKali
Gadius
SQ
BValk
DValk
LKali

DValk mostly for a Dark Healer. Gadius and BValk change the board to only what LKali needs. SQ for the delay and spike of x72 (not counting TPA's)

If this is good then I have the base for this team, just need to UUEVO my Valk's...and get the team cost
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By Nightmares 2 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
2 kali's and matching 6 orbs will now give 56.35X giving sakura a run for her money
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Sasuke☆*:. 2 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Further insight:

*6 combos, including fire, water, light, and dark (just matching 6 orbs won't activate her LS)
*56.25x atk (not 56.35)
*Sakuya (not Sakura, I assume)

Have a nice day!
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By Tiger 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
yay i got a kali last godfest and just got three more today @-@ super kali team unite!
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its-fineTM in reply to nagato 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
She's pretty much a good sub for every spike team ever, so yes.
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nagato 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Just got one more today is she actually a good sub for her self?
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PewDeePew in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
both kirin and kali are good subs for juggler.
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By Nikhil 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Does anyone have a good translation of the name?
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ACE 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Secret Goddess Kira
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By ACE 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I tried to translate in english = Secret Goddess Kira
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By Jarfield 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Sub 1794 rebel seraph lucifer (triple extra time) and a couple of Valkyrie/orb changers for damage bedlam
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By nagato 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
There's not one up vote for him ya r hilarious this is hilarious im actually rolling reading these comments but that one with the artwork not being better then kirin is a lie
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By stukinya 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Now I want to get Kali now lol
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cerberusdg in reply to PewDeePew 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Try juggler. way too broken
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PewDeePew in reply to cerberusdg 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
exactly, You know what I am talking about. Thank you.
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PewDeePew 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
don't get kali, get juggler.
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By Squirtlove 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Obvious troll is obvious, pls stop feeding him.
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Nemesis 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
On the upside, we're getting a lot of neat discussion on what Light Kali's ultimate does for her as a lead! A lot of it is in comparison to Sakuya, of course, which is unfortunate since she's a fine lead in her own right and doesn't deserve to be lambasted (most of the debaters are arguing against grape and not the lead herself, though). Still, there's some neat example teams and damage values in the mix :3
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€ rial 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
"Obvious troll" is giving one helluva fight... too much for a troll.
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By Klept2 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Jerry said the water in Mexico is perfectly fine to drink
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Cookie 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Nope, got lots of aLKali metals in it, but that's a secret, shhhh
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By Zero 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I've had a Kali sitting in my monster box for months, and I just now realized how powerful she is. Derp.
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By Anon 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I can't believe how this page became such a warzone. And all because of two trolls/kids/idiots.
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By morgainna 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
what the actual fudge bear happen...
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By dumplink 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
when is she coming out in north america?
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By nootnoot 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
How do you guys hit 6 combos consistently? This is a genuine question.
I pulled 2 Kalis...since I'm not good with her, I stick them in my LZL team.
It's really hard for me to set off her leader skill as well...
Is there any monsters out there I can practice with?
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mccool37 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
You begin with getting to the point of consistently hitting her normal combo (Fire, Water, Light, Dark) which gets you 5x. At this point you'll find that often you'll be left with wood and heart orbs because you're not doing much about them with the standard 5x. From here you just add in those orbs and/or a second match of the standard combo and you'll be hitting the 6 combos.
You can practice with any orb match leader though some are better because they need the same orbs as Kali except for one:
Merari! Atsui-san (http://puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=608)
Bun Bun Regent-kun (http://puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=616)
Any of the Lelians (though F/G adds heart orbs which kind of defeats the purpose of getting the initial combo down)
The Amberjack series
Wonder Bear (http://puzzledragonx.com/en/monster.asp?n=1319)

just to name a few.
As for getting the combo down, just combo I guess. Look for better combos on the board and hit them when possible.


Edit: 5x combo, not 4x
Last edited by mccool37 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 )
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Phoenix 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Just do endless corridors. The first many levels are such a joke, you can keep going even if you suck it up and not waste any stamina. I would think it would be better to practice with her if that is what you are trying to build up to.
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Guest 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
If you have a Chinese Polar God (Leilan etc) Practice with that. Try doing the 3 color and an off color. Once you are comfortable with that, you can switch to a Kali lead and do the 4 color and work your way to clearing the board every turn.
Last edited by N/A 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 )
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mccool37 in reply to dumplink 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Yeah, just fixed that thanks.
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dumplink in reply to mccool37 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
u mean 5
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By Aditya 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
When is it gonna come for usa version?
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By RedBaron 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Wow, the comments on this page got out of hand fast.
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By SlickRoach 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
As someone who is used to using LS with the basic (increase HP/ATK/REC for element/type) how would any Kali/Kirin/Egyptian God users recommend starting? I have a L.Kali in my box and that 5x ATK LS is too tempting for me to pass up.
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Tyriks 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
I'm trying to make the transition too. I spend a lot of time in endless corridors. I think my unconditional leaders have been good thus far but I don't know how much farther they can get me.
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Firecat 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Use endless Corridors and use it often. You'll get used to it eventually.
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mccool37 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
I posted a comment under nootroot's comment below about this, it might help you get started.
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Guest 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
If you have access to the Chinese Polar Gods, start with those, get comfortable matching 3 orb activation consistently. Then get comfortable matching 3 and then an off color or heal orbs. After doing it for a week/month, you should be able to clear full boards whenever necessary.
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C A R L 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
It's not as hard as it seems. Just because you're used to unconditional leaders doesn't mean you're not making good combos. I transitioned directly from Lmeta/LZL teams to Ra and i don't really have to play any differently. No matter what leader you're using, you should be consistently making good combos, just try to plan your combos a little more carefully when using spike leads and it should be fine
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By Prospero 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Sweeeet. It's here, with a little luck on the rare evo machine I may get my anubis lead, kali x4 team in a reasonable amount of time. Haven't seen one used yet so hopefully what I think will turn out a ridiculously OP team 8sb, 2.5 sec time,8 tpa,80% skill bind res, 100x bind res leader. Should clear a nice path through most descends. Ofc tailor in whatever sub needed here and there. I just don't see any downside to this or any dungeon standing in my way. I'd like to hear what teams you all are using your l.kali with. To make sure she gets the maximum destructive team she oh so deserves. To squander her with mediocrity would be a shame. There is no such thing as too OP. The best weapon is one that's fired once.
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By Usoki 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
So, I have this... but I don't use it, because I use a Ronia team. I see LKali is number one on the requested God List running right now.... so what am I missing? What team would
I build around this?
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FullMetal 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
If you look on the other LKali pages it gives team suggestions at the bottom. I've had her for a couple months and just started using her more and more. My current LKali team is
LKali lead
Uvo Fumu Kotaru(perfect sub to get rid of the greens, with skill boost, TPA, and skill boost)
LZL(double TPA and skill boost with a row enhance and a little boost with AS)
D/L Yomi(great AS for Kali, extra orb movement awakens, and takes care of the dark sub)
Uvo LMeta(double skill boost, unbindable, and get get you out of jams with binds)
LKali lead

Players who use her frequently tend to focus on TPAs and skill boost awakens to use her AS faster. I'm somewhat new to combo gods like her so she takes a while to get used to. I'm currently leveling my Izanagi and will most likely replace LZL with him for that extra 2x attack for god types. If you use LKali's AS->Fumu's to replace wood orbs-> Izanagi for 2x-> Yomi's active skill and get a good combo you can easily wipe any boss in the game.
Hope this helps!
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By Dawn 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
hmm... Lkali, sun quan, echidna, venus, and a dvalk sounds like a good combo to me... But I might be wrong.
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By Greg! 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
The unfair treatment that Ultimate D.Kali got is frustrating...

Because of that, this picture happened

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xtf1/v/t1.0-9/11059665_10152913463181699_8739011247357931968_n.jpg?oh=a6e103959c95036c0359780929620ccd&oe=55C35CB7&__gda__=1442004627_5cf6cee4d201202645a23edcc9eb5649
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By Balmone 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
So I managed to pull four of these this PCGF (which is insane because I usually get gungtrolled). What do you guys think about this team set up for beating end game dungeons like the ultimate rushes? I have scowered the internet and noone has this as a recommended build and I'm wondering if I'm missing something.

Ult Kali Lead
Ult Kali
Ult Kali
Ult Kali
Ult Durga
Ult Kali friend lead
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Greg! 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
You can probably replace Durga with Sun Quan.

PROS vs Durga:
Sun Quan gives a boost to Healer types (everyone in your team is a Healer) without any suicide effect. Plus, it comes with a delay! Sun Quan also has the same Awakenings as Durga, but with two Water Row Enhances (which will probably be useless for you).

CONS vs Durga:
Sun Quan has ~700 HP and ~600 ATK less than Durga, because he's a Healer. He also has a significantly higher cooldown than Durga (Sun Quan at 13, Durga at 6).

I guess it's up to you. Need more HP? Don't have enough room for error to stall? Can you afford a suicide effect in exchange for a big boost to ATK for one turn? Use Durga. Need a Delay? Need more RCV? Use Sun Quan.
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Greg! 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Silly me, I always assumed D.Kali was in your team.

If you don't have D.Kali in your team to fill up the Dark element, then Durga is by all means REQUIRED. My bad.
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Balmone in reply to Greg! 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Is it smart to have that many L kalis on one team though or would it be smarter to mix some other subs in there?
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Greg! in reply to Balmone 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Assuming all the units in your team, especially the L.Kali's, have maxed out Skills, that is a stellar team.
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By KINGKAI 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
i will forever compare all future (and past) artworks to this meticulously beautiful masterpiece.
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By --- 3 years ago ( 7.8.1 ) 
Okay, I was wondering if I should change my Lkali team... So here it is

Leader: Uevo Lkali (Max skilled)
Sub: Uevo Kali (Skill Lv. 2)
Sub: Awoken Venus (Skill Lv. 2)
Sub: Uevo Fuma Kotaro (Unskilled)
Sub: Durga (Unskilled)
Friend Leader: Uevo Lkali

Everything max leveled except Fuma, everything max awoken. I'm sill working on skilling. I was thinking about swapping Durga out for Awoken Haku, and Fuma for a healer who could offer a spike (Maybe Sandalphon, or King Shynee. I'm leaning away from Sun Quan because of the Att. Disagreement. Ideally I'm gonna try to get Arcline) I can have all my skills charged on the first floor once I Max skill. I have around 20,000 HP. Any thoughts? Feel free to criticize... 😐
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By OmastarBC 3 years ago ( 7.8.1 ) 
I'm still learning how to use her properly, but here is my set up so far.
Kali
Hermes
Mini Metatron
Arthur
Mini Tsukuyomi
Kali

I've already managed to No Stone Satan and Zhao Yun with this team without any trouble. I'm open to suggestions though. The main feature of this team is everyone having TPA minus Hermes. All of these cards are evo'ed and uvo'ed.
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--- 3 years ago ( 7.8.1 ) 
It seems okay. Eventually though, you should try to focus on finding a way to burst. It could be focusing on a single element (preferably light) or typing (like gods and healers). So the team you have now should work fine for certain descends, but when you are ready, you shou start upgrading. When you unlock the full potential of Lkali, you can even take on rushes. Some ideal subs would be:

1) Fuma Kotaro
2) Durga
3) Venus (Awoken Venus is the best evolution)
4) As always, another LKali
5) Awoken Haku (If your focusing on Healers since she's the strongest dark healer, and has two two-prongs)
6) Arcline (or Sandalphlon since he's farmable) -for a healer burst
7) Rei Sirius
8) Dark Kali
9) Izanagi would also work
10) Basically ideally you want to try to get healers, monsters that focus on light orbs at the expense of grass or hearts, and avoid green cards and orbs as much as possible. Getting a spike for gods or healers would be most preferable for harder dungeons. Once you get more of these cards, you will be able to conquer some of the hardest content in the game.

Summary: Light Kali is a great team to invest in.
My team:
1) Light Kali
2) Light Kali
3) Awoken Venus
4) Fuma Kotaro/ Arcline
5) Durga/ Awoken Haku
6) Light Kali
Last edited by --- 3 years ago ( 7.8.1 )
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OmastarBC in reply to --- 3 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
I changed it up a bit. I ended up rolling another Kali, so this is what I'm using now.
LKali
LKali
Durga
Hermes
Mini Tsukuyomi (might change for Awoken Shiva because TPA and Time Extends, or Shinji when we get his new uvo.)
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By Trioniks 3 years ago ( 7.8.1 ) 
Quick Question:
I am not an expert by any means and would like to see suggestions

My LKali team is made up of
Uevo Fuma Kotaro - makes light
Uevo Hanzo (max skill) - makes dark
Uevo Gigas (max skill) - make fire
Uevo Sun Quan (B/G) for green and spike/delay

What other subs could I use. I rarely buy magic stones so I dont have a lot of Gods and awesome cards like Venus, metatron, yomi

Thanks
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Trioniks 3 years ago ( 8.0.4 ) 
Bump
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By 7homas 3 years ago ( 8.0.1 ) 
Got 4 of these and a blue Odin, now I just need to get a high enough rank for 300 cost...
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By XXv9 3 years ago ( 8.0.1 ) 
After this weeks Godfest, I was able to pull Zhuge Liang and a second L. Kali I I've decided to finish my L. Kali team.
My current team is:
L. Kali
L. Kali
CLD Zhuge Liang
L/D Venus
Fuma Kotaro
L. Kali (Friend)

I fairly new to L. Kali, so I'm not sure if I am building correctly. Any Tips and Recommendations would be appreciated.
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By Kingus 3 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
Now that there is Awoken Sakuya, does anyone else think its possible for an awoken kali? That'd be really awesome to see.
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By -Zer0- 3 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
I'll see you at the costume party ;)
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By jesse 3 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
Does anyone think it would be possible to add an awoken light kali, with mabye another tpa and time extend?
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By mando 3 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
Does anyone know why the leader skill does not activate when I match bl,dk,light and fire?
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Chenobi 3 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
Probably because one of the monsters in your lineup doesn't have the required color. You need to match those four as well as have those required attributes on your team not binded.
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By FieryZorua 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
So I'm new to using Kali and for whatever reason, when I match all of the required orb types, the water orb icon does not highlight and the leader skill does not activate. This makes it impossible to use her and I was wondering if anyone was else has experienced this problem and could tell me how to fix it. Thanks in advance!
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Ea 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Sounds like you don't have a water element monster on your team
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By Jabronie 2 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
I understand i sound like an ungrateful player to people who want this monster, but its more out of curiosity. Just a little upset that I have a light Kali and it has similar stats to dark kali (just a little different based on monster type) but dark Kali is 8 star and this card is 7. Its based on Awoken skills I get, light kali has two TPAs but has 6 awoken and dark has 9. Dark has 1 TPA but WOW only a few cards are unbind-able and have the ability to release others from binds (light meta, Yomi Dragon and dark kali probably more). So dark Kali fits so many more teams as a sub like combo leaders or mult att LS skill leaders due to her awoken skills but also her active.... Heal is being incorporated into high damage Mult att leaders like ra dragon, durga, ra sun deity and many more lately so her active is much more useful. Im not saying multiple styles of the same monster need to have the same stats/awoken skills/and actives but since they are both Kali's i would believe they would have different but comparable stats/awoken and actives. Maybe im wrong but just the 7 and 8 star difference lets me know that Gungho knows dark Kali is better (in most cases)
Last edited by Jabronie 2 years ago ( 8.4.1 )
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Hero 2 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Every godfest exclusive set has had at least one card with a lower rarity, it's been that way since Sonia.
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By Moldy 2 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
297th vote

Had to rate my Awoken Ra's best friend with perfect 10s across the board for that hypermax. ;p
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By gintaman 2 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
A little hp/rcv bonus would be nice (like hkali), but that's me being greedy...
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By Sasuke☆*:. 2 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
Now that I have two of her, this is my main team:

Ult LKali
Ult LKali
Ult Fuma Kotaro
Awoken Tsukuyomi
Ult Sun Quan (B/G)
Ult LKali friend

One LKali is hypermaxed. All max level and fully awoken. About 400 plus eggs not including friend, Fuma and Yomi skill lvl 3, Sun Quan max skilled. With this build, at least 1 LKali is up on the first floor and the others are ready pretty soon.

I just wanted to ask, what LKali teams are you all using? I've tried my team with Awoken Ra and Awoken Sakuya as well, and the higher multipliers were fun to use.
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nephlover 2 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
My LKali team: hypermaxed ult LKali lead, level 86 evo LKali, level 96 DKali, max awoken isis, and a flex spot of Echidna/Awoken Haku/Susano/Ult Chibi Valk. I use Echidna for farming King of the Gods. I've also subbed out Isis for ult Ariel when including Haku as it provides a fourth Kali active. I haven't evolved the second LKali for use in no dupe dungeons. Ult Chibi Valk allows for plenty of TPA damage

Working toward Awoken Ra which would basically shift the flex spot out
Last edited by nephlover 2 years ago ( 8.6.2 )
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st3alth 2 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
I've had great success with this build on just about everything (minus C10s and Mythical Plus, of course):

1747 LKali: Hypermax, 5 Extend Move Time latents
2324 Awoken Ama: Hypermax
2012 Awoken Ra: Max lvl and awoken, minimal + eggs
2281 L/D Izanagi: Max lvl and awoken, minimal + eggs
1925 Ult Blodin: Hypermax
1747 LKali: Hypermax, 5 Extend Move Time latents

It's an incredibly versatile team, sitting at just over 26000 HP, 4400 RCV, and 7250 ATK for light alone. Ra handles low HP high defense monsters, Ama bind clears with AS or with full row of hearts, Ama and Blodin AS give heal support, Iza gives single turn burst, and LKalis board change every 3.5 turns average if needed. Hitting 36x with a light TPA really brings the thunder.

Cost is 225, but cost should not be an issue by the time you are able to assemble this team.

Definitely my favorite all-around team to use - it can clear all of the weekly dungeons without trouble, and once you're consistently hitting 36x it's good for KotG grinding as well.
Last edited by st3alth 2 years ago ( 8.6.2 )
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Trioniks 2 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Sasuke, Here is my team

Newest LKali Fuma AAma SQ Awoken Baal - now that I can match better I dont use my old team below. Having AAma too is useful on binds and healing.

Old LKali Fuma SQ Gigas Hanzo - when I was starting I wanted to make sure I dont get orb trolled (except for blue) and I have enough HP with Gigas and Fuma.

The use of B/G SQ is to make sure green can still be useful when Fuma is not ready and add to my combo.

Let me know if you have questions. Hope it helps.
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Trioniks in reply to Sasuke☆*:. 2 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Hi Sasuke, Since Baal is an unbindable dark healer he gets the benefit from SQ boost...i use him before I use Kali to get the light counter too.
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Sasuke☆*:. in reply to Trioniks 2 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Wow, thank you for all the feedback! :D My team has improved a bit (I think), and it looks like this right now:

Pentamaxed LKali
Pentamaxed A. Yomi
LKali
Hypermaxed A. Isis
B/W Sun Quan
Pentamaxed LKali

My team is fully awoken and max skilled, and I switched Fuma Kotaro for Isis mainly because I needed an unbindable bind clear. Yomi is second because a lot of dungeons seem to have dark absorb. I hope to get Ra and/or Sakuya someday for subs (or entirely new teams). Now that LKali has a 7.5x multiplier in her future, I can't wait to see her new potential! :3
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Sasuke☆*:. in reply to Trioniks 2 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Trioniks, I just have a question: why do you use Baal on your LKali team? I have King's Gaze Demon Lord, Baal, and he changes water to light, which would not be ideal for LKali. Do you mean a different unit perhaps since you mentioned Awoken Baal? Thank you! :)
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Sasuke☆*:. in reply to Trioniks 2 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Ah, that's smart to use Baal on a LKali team! :D Thank you for the input.
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Trioniks in reply to Sasuke☆*:. 2 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Hi Sasuke,
The archdemons have been really useful to me now that they have healer type. For example, i also use an AAma team if i need hp I use AAmon and Gigas (for 6k Hp) to reach 25K and not die. Thank you for keeping track of kali's page.
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By Destros 2 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
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By rayyyymond 2 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
dayum. kali has got the best body in the game.
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By Lark 2 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
So after the Kali buffs, Does anyone have any suggestions on their "perfect kali team"? If you could pick any mons out of the entire REM, which mons would you put onto a kali team, with no dupes? also include reasons as to why that team does so well (lots of HP than others, too many TPAs, etc)
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By Seth Sucks 2 years ago ( 9.0.3 ) 
I've rolled 4 of these from REM, are there any farmable blue black/black blue subs you guys would recommend for a 4 Kali team?
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ecwstar 2 years ago ( 9.0.3 ) 
Some good farmable dark/blue subs are ult. vampire, ult. Drawn joker, and beelz. Some good blue/dark subs are Sha Wujing (makes perfect board), Ult. vampire, wadatsumi, and indigo.
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By Jason 2 years ago ( 9.0.3 ) 
It's OP if used as leader with another Lkali
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By FlashGordy 2 years ago ( 9.2.1 ) 
I have Kali! But I have no idea how to use her to her best advantage. Right now I'm using an all-God type team, of every elemental type. Generally the problem is that I'm not so great at setting up the board or getting all types in one attack.

Right now my Kali team consists of Shiva (1113, lv max), Karin (748), haku (1790), and Zhuge Liang (1373). Some other good mons I have are Izanagi (2281, lv max) Kushinada (804), and Sherias (2710, need to evolve him).

Idk. If anyone can give me some pointers that would be great. I've been playing PAD for years but never got into the tactical details.
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By Trioniks 2 years ago ( 9.2.1 ) 
Big fan of Kali but lately other leads have been pretty appealing with higher multipliers. Wish she would get another buff... please? :)

For those wanting to practice I used endless corridor. Also, add me when your Kalis are maxed thanks.... :)
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By CrzyJulian 2 years ago ( 9.2.1 ) 
Good sub for Marine Rider team.
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By BruceLeroy 2 years ago ( 9.2.1 ) 
Since everyone is getting new makeovers can we get, and ultimately for Kali?
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By CamM 1 year ago ( 9.6.3 ) 
It's just a game, but it feels like a courtroom...
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By Gutentag 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
This is one of my favorite arts in the whole game for An awesome monster. The only art I like better is ultimate Ronia. I wish I had light Kali.i do have one question though- is kali pregnant or did she have too many fusions?
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Vayle 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
How is she pregnant? She has an actual stomach.
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PewDeePew in reply to Vayle 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Because I got her pregnant. Me and her did the dirty deed right after I heard that L Kali can outburst Juggler. L Kali can do 15,000,000 per turn while juggler can only do like 5,000,000 damage.
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By roflcopt0r 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
double kali teams have some big... damage multipliers
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PewDeePew 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
those have been outclassed by juggler.
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By Metrinome 3 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
And this isn't even a true awoken-level evo. One can only imagine how insane that one will be when it arrives.
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By Mr-ex777 2 years ago ( 9.0.3 ) 
The Juggler troll below is just amazing. Now Juggler no longer gets his day and PAD has fell because of so many epic disasters running over it in the past year.

Main Topic: The pre ultimate evolution forms were ugly but this is beautiful, just like the Darkness one. And the enemy form is pretty powerful too, although it is being grinded a lot by the power teams nowadays.
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By ethanjean 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
ok kiwi :^) you're not a troll. but you know what you are? stupid. you're spewing a lot of stupidity all over this page.

"It's way too hard to actually get 6 whole combos using Kali without setting up the board."

well you clearly dont know how to play a 25x lead since you should be setting the board up where you can anyways. a simple match 4 for 25x doesnt net you enough damage output to kill most sub bosses nowadays.

and you havent really explained why sakuya (thats her name btw, kirin isn't) is better.
sakuya has farmable subs? k, but i guess if you've rolled kali you probably have rolled some other monsters.
do you know what awakenings are yeah? those 2 prong attacks give a match 4 2.25x more damage. for the record, thats more than double, but for arguments sake, anybody with 2 tpa awakenings now has 50x damage.

"I'm not trolling, how do you even get that impression >:( I'm just trying to get people to know that Kirin really isn't worse than Kali, even with 36x"

did you forget to use your brain? the 36x activates on 6+ combo. assuming 6 combo, your multiplier is 36x 2.25 for the combos you made, x2.25 for any tpa you made. even reducing these numbers for arguments sake, you're looking at over 144x multiplier here (. sakuya does not get anywhere near this on 6 combo (56.25).
and if you want to bring orb enhances into the equation, do realise that enhanced orbs cant go much higher than 1.3 on 3 orb matches, and they have an apparent diminishing return.
take awakenings out and kali is still at 81x compared to sakuyas 56.25x.

"Anyone who says they can do 6 whole combos without proving it is lying. 6 combos is incredible."

I think you're judging the player base skill by your own skill, which from what it seems isnt very good because a lot of people can do much better (bastet, ra, anubis, osiris, okuninushi. many people use these leaders)

"Kirin has a farmable team that can take on actual endgame content."

No she can't. farmable subs for a Sakuya team are mostly orb changers and echidna. you have no chance against Beelzebubs full board preemptive. no chance against ult heras preemptive 33k (because you dont have any tank actives).

"You can't make a farmable team to rival Kirin's."

who the hell would do that anyways? that defeats the purpose of the REM if all you want to do is get farmable subs. again, she is a godfest exclusive, so chances are pretty high that you have already rolled some of kali's subs.

"Why would I pay a gorillion dollars to make a Kali team when I can make a Kirin team with no money at all and beat MORE of the game?"

you ever heard of those free stones? yeah, you can actually do this thing where you dont spend them for a while and then wait until a good godfest. its called saving.

"MORE" of the game? no you can't. if you want to be more convincing about these claims you're making, please show us a video or record your own clears of the rush and challenge dungeons.

"Echidna is still undeniably good, you can't argue that at all. Without her you wouldn't be able to deal the damage that you do."

echidna is not very good anymore because these end game dungeons you claim that your farmable sakuya team can clear, most floors have skill guards. echidna without her active is just a very measly stat stick.
and thats why nobody uses her on kali teams. you can still deal enough damage without her.

And you keep mentioning your orb enhances doing more damage. sorry, but what part of 2.25 looks smaller than 1.4? did you even do maths at school?

right ok, thats enough, i think you probably are a troll after reading all that trash.
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mazzafakka 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
nailed it. *thumbs up*
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By foxwaffles 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Durga uevo? When will this happen? Please? ...or am I the only person who likes Durga.
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By Matt 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
I have 3 Kalis now. Can someone see my frustration?
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Matt 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
I seriously wish that PAD would create a new trade feature. I would love to give away a Kali to anyone.
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Freddy 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Uhhhh, no? Lol I just rolled my 3rd U&Y and I should be complaining more but there's no point in looking for sympathy from ppl who would probably want nothing more than to get just one of her. Hell I have 4 Ronias too which is practically worthless even if I didn't have great devil subs, and I'm a light IAP player who doesn't pull the rem unless its a big one like the PCGF or the GF has one or two of the series that I want. Just gotta go with it; I'm new to L Kali and I know it's probably not great to have 4 of them on a 6 man team including your friend's leader, but I'd be willing to bet that down the road she will get an Awoken evo that'll deviate a little bit away from her current self (like the soon to be Egyptian 1 gods or even the Chinese gods).
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By CorbelSA 3 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
OK, the colors are gorgeous but literally WHAT IS HAPPENING IN THIS ART.

Needs like 80% less busy-ness.
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By ??@PF 3 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
well kirin is actually better than lkali now lol
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By Adamjc 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
hey guys i play shinining kali friend me if you want :) 335 863 315
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-Zer0- 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Read. The. Rules. NO COMMENTS SAYING YOU ARE LOOKING FOR FRIENDS.
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its-fineTM 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
The GUIDELINES.

READ THEM.
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Ben in reply to its-fineTM 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Don't act like u didn't friend him. We all want 297s.

Edit: Never mind. I checked his ID in game it's fake.
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€ rial 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
If you really want an argument, I'll give you one. In fact I'll give you six:

1. As of now in US, U&Y is still the top tier of the 4-color-5x ATK leads. Double TPA (2.25x ATK when matching 4 orbs of the monster's color) and a 25x multiplier is quite often overkill (more than 50x ATK on two members of your team). Kali isn't far behind, and is only behind because her AS does less to support the LS.

2. Healer typing on U&Y and LKali is generally more versatile than Kirin's Physical typing. While you could run a God-focused team for all 4 leads, that requires lots of patience or IAP. Physical typing is harder to stall with due to crappy RCV and the HP is only a minimal benefit on a team designed to kill before being killed with as much power as possible. If you want tankiness, run leaders with actual HP multipliers rather than a 1x/25x/1x team.

3. AS support really matters. Assuming you run double leaders, that's 2/6, or 1/3 of your team. This 1/3 of your team had better count, which it doesn't for Kirin. Two 20% Gravities are weaksauce compared to the massive deluge of water TPA matches that U&Y can unleash twice in a row. Durga doesn't have it any better than Kirin, especially since her active only boosts Gods as of now in US. (going to change to boost Devils and Gods eventually, but won't make a significant difference unless her uvo gives her a Devil typing). The LS supporting AS's on U&Y and LKali allow for a greater degree of sub flexibility. I've seen GZL (ANOTHER double TPA card) and Yomi ran on U&Y teams that were never orb trolled because U&Y had the orb changes handled while Kirin must focus her subs into avoiding being orb trolled.

4. Kirin's resist awakens are great but not essential. U&Y has the same amount of Blind resists while LKali has the same amount of skillbind resists. Jammer resist is negligible on a team that is supposed to kill before being killed. I have never seen a Jammer preemptive that actually caused someone's death.

5. From an endgame perspective, whether or not the team is farmable or not is negligible. The best subs and leaders will be coming from the REM almost all the time, because Gungtroll's capitalism means they want their money. And more often than not, the awoken skills on these REM subs will be offensively oriented, rather than the resistances we see on Kirin, so they would compliment a more offensively oriented leader.

6. Whatever farmable subs Kirin has, the other three have counterparts to. All of them have access to Heartbreaker cards (Gigas, Vamp, etc) of their colors. Mystic Knights are out of the question, where Kirin has Verche, U&Y has Zeal, LKali has Kamui, Durga has Voice. Echidna isn't practical for U&Y but delay isn't necessary on a team whose LS practically screams "raw power" as well as the growing number of bosses using preemptive status shields.

Kirin does have her second chances since Gungtroll can release as many uvos for her as they deem necessary, or change her awakens, or boost stats, or change typings, etc. I'm not hating on Kirin and by all means Kirin is still a good leader (25x is still higher than what I reach with a 16x DQXQ team) but you were very wrong with saying because Kirin's better because she's more defensive and has a better farmable subpool.

Imo, the apparent rankings for 4-color-5x ATK leads is:
LKali uvo > U&Y uvo > current LKali > Kirin > Durga
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★Liao24★ 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I don't even... want to start.
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Anon in reply to € rial 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
You've gone a long way my friend. Absolutely spot on.

To be honest though there's no point in arguing with imbeciles like this guest, who apparently are too afraid to make a legit profile lest they be ridiculed for spewing garbage like this.

Now "Guest", before you call me out for merely attacking without an argument, I'll be fair. Kirin is obviously still a good leader (heck, she's a great one.) HOWEVER, she's not as well suited for the more modern dungeons as L/Kali, let alone U&Y, because as Erial said, damage is key for x5 leaders, and if Kirin can't do as much damage, she doesn't do as well.

Personally I have and use both U&Y and L/Kali, but don't call me "biased", because by that logic you'd be even more biased due to having only one of the four leaders and thus being less knowledgeable on alternative leaders. At least that's what I'm assuming, considering how your statement proves that you clearly don't know squat about monsters you don't own.

Oh, and farmable? Please, I see Kirin teams relying on REM light monsters such as L/Meta and/or Apollo a lot. And do you seriously think Verche, Valk, and Echidna can really do that much for you? Don't make me laugh; they WOULD'VE been able to back when I started, but nowadays of course they can't, and as much as I loved to use such monsters back when I was fresh, I have to be honest with you that they aren't suitable for the "modern" endgame. In fact, the only one I still use of those three is Valk; Echidna's only situational at this point, considering how it's either "take them out or take a beating" (FYI, a few times I managed to one-shot Starlight Zeus with my U&Y team's two prong and active change. I didn't even need to use any mini-buffs, and I don't have a single hypermax on the team. While I obviously don't try stunts like these every day, keep in mind that your Kirin's not going to be pulling that off any time soon, I guarantee you.)

Go on and babble in your ancient world, but know that by doing so you won't be impressing anyone.

Geez, I should just follow my own advice and keep walking; this isn't the Youtube comments section after all...
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nagato 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Eh no reason to argue everyone has there opinions but I like kali more but thats me
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桐 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I play on the JP server. I uevo my HYPER LKali the moment it's released and tested how great it is.
And I find, that 36x is just simply, unarguably, INSANE.
My LKali herself hits over 1 million with two 4-light-orb sets and 7 combos. The whole team (LKali/Fuma/LMeta/Echidna/DIzanami) can ONE-HIT-KILL any boss with no more than 4 million HP. Thanks to Fuma, I can activate this crazy damage every 5 turns. Now I don't need to bring anything else for burst. The other subs are totally defensive, like LMeta for clearing binds, Echidna for delay, DIzanami for being tankier. -- So safe and so powerful.

I used to use Kirin team a lot, and before this uevo of LKali I actually preferred leading Kirin.
Now, LKali is absolutely the best.

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Edited:

In your reply below you said, and I quote, "Kali can't even do Challenge Level 10, but Kirin can, because of her large health."

Reco used Kali to clear LV10 of the latest Challenge (9th):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbpYDhW2bgA
His post can be found here: http://forum.gamer.com.tw/C.php?bsn=22153&snA=77159&tnum=4
Let me translate his first sentence: "That power... is it really fine? XD" And he said this team is the most versatile and safest among all others.

Please let me know if you can find any video that uses Kirin for LV10 of 9th Challenge. Good luck on that.

BTW, I cleared LV9 this time using my Kali team. Check the following images:
http://imgur.com/YbLANBc,WPALWPU#0
http://imgur.com/YbLANBc,WPALWPU#1
(I put in my Ronia just for the +297 and fulfulling the attribute requirement. Yeah... my Izanami is waiting for the Great/Super bonus to feed her Snowglobe Dragon)
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nickjr 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
this "Guest" hasn't even been giving concrete support (sample monsters, sample teams, sample dungeon runs, numbers) lolol
(EDIT: I posted this before the OP got a username. I'm referring to the OP, not the other Guest in this thread as of editing this post)

while the others are dishing out names of subs and dungeons like there's no tomorrow

"So what? Kirin can do all that and have a farmable team. Without paying for Fuma you can make a better Kirin team than any team Kali can make without Fuma."
Like what? Example please

"Kirin actually deals MORE damage than Kali with her constant orb enhance. It gives her so much more damage than her constantly."
Math please--actually, at this point, even an outlying sample dungeon run like what the others have said about their mons slaughtering the boss with TPA would put you on the board..

"Her actives are better too: gravities help you finish off the boss instead of dying like the squishy Kali would."
How so? math please

"Kirin has a farmable team that can take on actual endgame content."
like what? examples please (with full teams and their corresponding dungeons, since there are no "cookie cutter" teams for all descendeds; not even OP Ronia has a cookie cutter team of any kind [farmable or REM] that can take on 90% of descendeds with no problem, so...)

"Kirin is much more versatile than Kali."
I'm assuming this is supposed to be a conclusion for that post

"Kirin is still the best after Kali's ult, she's tankier and can actually clear hard descends unlike Kali."
okay, so... can you, like, name some of those "hard descends"

dude, did you even learn how to write an essay in your native language class

aren't you supposed to give supporting evidence for your argument and subarguments

totally ironic considering you keep saying your opposition can't argue...
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nickjr in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I don't have Kirin or LKali or any 25x leader (or if I do, then I've completely forgotten about him/her/it due to lack of skill), nor do I actively follow the development of those leaders, nor do I use friends with those leaders, so I decided to avoid arguing about them and opted to comment instead on the ironic fact that the last time I was here, you repeatedly said that your opposition could not argue when, in fact, you were not giving any concrete supporting evidence while € rial, 桐, and PTJ@PF were giving supoprting evidence, 'cause no one said anything about that before I posted.

Maybe you're right and maybe you're wrong about Kirin > LKali. I don't know about that because I'm not an active user or follower of the 25x leads. What I do know is that a paper without supporting evidence gets a 0, no matter what the argument of the paper is, and a paper with evidence will get credit, no matter the argument.

Now you're actually supporting your argument with concrete things, so thanks for that ^_^ (that's actually sincere, not sarcastic... I've retyped that probably 10 times by now [looked at the clock and 18 minutes have passed, whoops] and that the least sarcastic-looking I can make it orz)

As for the math... I've been playing PAD for a year and I know how to work the math in PAD for the most part (it's just a bunch of algebra, right), but the formula is so complex 0__0 and besides, it's good to type out the math so:
1) people don't have to work the math for 10+ posts
2) people can see if there are errors in the math (you know, the whole thing about showing your work xD)
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ryanatk 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
LOL this how you start a fire online...
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珍珠奶茶☆Crumb in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Let's just quickly do some math. Assuming you're getting a perfect board on Kirin with 5 on-color combos and 5 off color combos with no additional skyfall, all orbs enhanced like you said on a max leveled Kirin with 1370 attack, That would be 1370 x 25(Kirin LS) x 3.25(combo multiplier) x 5(Light-matches) x 1.9(enhanced light orbs) + 137 x 25 x 3.25 x 5 x 1.9(sub attribute) or a total of 1163215.625 damage.

So now lets say you have a perfect board on Uevo Kali with 4 on color TPAs, 1 sub color TPA, 1 off color TPA, and 1 off color match of 5 with one orb wasted on Kali's 1361 attack, That would be 1411 x 36(Kali LS) x 2.5(combo multiplier) x 1.25(orb chain multiplier) x 4(light matches) x 2.25(TPA) + 141.1 x 36 x 2.5 x 1.25 x 2.25(sub attribute) or a total of 1412462.813 damage.

Honestly, only taking into account one monster skews this more into Kirin's favor, as Kali's sub's damage levels are huge as well. If you want to play the farmable card, I can make a farmable team with kali that does more than kirin as well with Kali-Valk-Kamui-Athena-Beelzebub-Kali. The Kirin team you posted also only has 1k more HP then the kali team I had. I'd like to see proof that that Kirin team did challenge 10 because It wouldn't even have enough to live the 30k preemptive.
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Guest 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
LKali
- Guaranteed LS active by AS. Skillable and low cool down.
- 2 TPA
- On color burst subs. Izanagi, Shinee, Arcline. In which Izanagi and Arcline has TPA.
- Access to both of the only CTW subs. Venus with same typing and TPA. Yomi with two time extends (ignoring Eco Tiny)
- Jammers and poison? AS.


LKali is god fest exclusive for a reason.

TPA and AS are what makes Kali so powerful. My LKali alone does 1-1.5 mil damage with TPA 25x. And all my 2 TPA subs, LZL and Arthur, does similar damage on the same trigger. All that with little active popping which the only way for Kirin to compete that output is by making combos or by using actives such as gravity, delays, and burst.

LKali doesn't need gravity or delay which many Kirin teams heavily relies on. And often times those spaces are reserved for off color, off typing, weak stats monster Echidna. Echidna is almost a must for most Kirin teams. Delay is unnecessary for Kali because 2TPA 25x will OHKO and board set up is done by AS. One can place Bubblie for a physical 75x burst team for Kirin, but it's one time use and it's going to be a rainbow team with a horrible stat sub. Kali can reserve the burst for final boss, while eliminating sub bosses with 2TPA match. Those sub spaces Kirin sacrifices, Kali can use for luxury TPA build.

And don't deny. Kirin physical rainbow team with Bubblie and Echidna is outclassed by LKali light TPA god team.

If I were to compare, only UmiYama seem to compete with Kali.

But I will make this clear: Kirin is no way a horrible lead. She is one the best and most powerful lead that is able tackle many descends. She is also non-IAP friendly. But as godfest exclusive, LKali is just built with better functions.
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Anon in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
"Echidna is still undeniably good, you can't argue that at all. Without her you wouldn't be able to deal the damage that you do."

This would make sense if you didn't reply to ME in particular. I won't deny that Echidna is good. Heck, I think she's excellent. She helped me out a lot, and I didn't say she was bad, just that she can't do as much in the modern endgame. In fact, I stopped using Echidna with either of my leaders a long time ago. Why? I'll give some reasons right now.

1) Pre-emptive status shields are a nuisance you'll frequently encounter in "advanced" dungeons. Examples? Here's three I pulled off the top of my head:
-Hera-Ur; TWICE in her dungeon actually
-Zeus-Mercury; AGAIN, twice in the same dungeon
-Thoth/Sopdet; do I still need to say twice in the same dungeon?

2) If it's not a pre-emptive status shield, it's probably a pre-emptive attack with reasonable stopping power. Echidna doesn't exactly have high HP, and admittedly neither do L/Kali nor U&Y (counting base HP with zero + values whatsoever). Examples? I'll give you two:
-Zeus-Dios; actually laden with pre-emptive attacks, but the final one stands out in particular.
-Beelzebub; well technically only Beelzebub has an attack pre-emptive, although the Amon/Astaroth floor IS a hazard you must take into account.

3) The active skill is a lifesaver and I will not say otherwise. It's what pulled me out of Satan, Hera-Is, Goemon, and Valk back when I had practically no REM monsters aside from U&Y. However, I feel as if U&Y (and to a far lesser extent L/Kali) relies on a blitzkrieg playing style. As I stated earlier, it's either "take them out or take a beating", and often that beating is something you simply cannot take. Echidna is not quite an offensive monster as a safety net, so in my case it'd simply be better to sub in a monster with substantial attack. Of course, I'll be fair. That lack of a safety net HAS killed me before, but in the end, it's a risk worth taking if it means I won't need to spam active skills on every single floor (and in harder dungeons, keep in mind that you're fighting multiple "high HP" monsters back-to-back, each with at least some way of killing you.)

"You people keep arguing and asking for numbers when you can't even do the numbers yourself."

You remind me SO much of the typical DBZ fanboy/Batman fanbody. Why? You claim that your opponents never show you numbers when all you do is blindly say that your guy is better while blatantly ignoring their plentiful evidence. I'm not here to insult Dragonball Z or Batman though; I was just using an example with two fanbases I've noticed as being particularly full of idiots (although there's still plenty of reasonable people in both of them.)

Anyway, if you want some numbers, I'll admit I can't conjure of any significant ones. I really don't know much about damage calculation in PaD, so you have me beat there. HOWEVER, I'll still present some evidence, and while numbers are not explicitly stated in them, common sense should let you easily reach the intended conclusion:

-As I mentioned earlier, I one-shotted Starlight Zeus (5.4 or so HP, I could be wrong.) I don't IAP so I only used what the REM gave me, and I did not use any mini-buffs, only U&Y's and Yomi's active. Speaking of which, Yomi was my only dark monster on the team, so don't assume I did this because I used the super-effective element.
-In "mini-rush" dungeonss as I like to call them (eg. Zeus-Stratios, Hera-Sowilo, Izanami, Kouryu etc.) in which there are multiple monsters with millions of HP, I only have so many active skills to use. This often leads to me attempting to take out the mini-bosses without using them unless absolutely necessary. Thing is, I do it fine. I generally have no problem dishing out 1-2 million damage a turn without any active skills, and that number just skyrockets if at least 2 members of my team are super effective against an enemy.
-You say that Kirin's orb enhance allows her to outdo L/Kali in damage. Although I don't know if you used that argument against U&Y, I'll be using him as a counterargument. He has two orb enhance awokens in addition to his two 2-prong awokens as well. By that logic he'd still end up outdoing her in damage, and thing is he does.

That's all for today. Hope this was worth your time (P.S. I respect how you got a legit profile, and keep in mind I'm arguing because I thought you were wrong; I don't hold anything against you in particular.)

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Donaldz in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
wtf? Kirin's orb enhcance gives her 1.1X dmg per orb enchance. Kali's prong gives her 2.25x dmg per 4 orb match.
LKali can use farmable subs like vamp, kamui and echidna so I dont know where you got the idea that Kirin is more versatile in using farmable subs.
Also, Lkali is a healer subtype, which is ALOT more versatile than having a physical subtype. There are better and alot more farmable and IAP subs for healers than physicals. If you want a non-IAP delay, theres echidna whos a HEALER type, if you want a non-IAP spike, Sandalphon, also a HEALER type. If you want good heartbreakers, the Valkyries are all healer types, even though they are IAP they have the best AS for heartbreakers.
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??@PF in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Mhm

No, Kirin cannot clear c10 without any stones
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Guest in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Made this account just cuz I find grape to be hilarious. I have Kirin, U&Y, and lkali. I've also got the REM stuff and farmable stuff for each team. While all three are great leads and 25x combo is amazing, I personally believe there is a clear hierarchy between them. U&Y presently is my best lead of the 3 with kali being second. Kirin, I used to use a lot but she just can't compete as effectively anymore especially without TPA. At the low level of PAD, I believe kirin (the people's champion) may be the best because she's good without REM monsters and she works with a farmable team but in the long run, a U&Y or lkali will take you much further. Of the three, she's the easiest to build a team for but also has the lowest ceiling for game potential. With this uvo, lkali is hands down the best. I also find that kali and U&Y's AS are far better. To me, the biggest killer for combo teams would be to be orb trolled. With U&Y, that almost can't happen as long as you have light and dark orbs set up. For LKali, It's impossible cuz her active literally gives you everything. Gravity loses out comparatively in my opinion.

Any serious player should be able to score minimum 5-7 combo every turn (there's 30 orbs on the board, you just need to match 18 of them). If you can't do this, you probably can't beat any challenge descend above 7 without stones unless you try it a bunch of times. I assume you yourself probably aren't that great a player, don't own lkali or U&Y, and are pretty immature to keep these arguments (if that's what you think you are doing) up. You seem to be the only one here who believes kirin > lkali.

Gungho is a business so in order to stimulate people buying more, they'll keep the meta changing and release newer, stronger REM monsters. In games like this, it is normal that some new stuff will probably end up being stronger or more suited to the new types of challenges coming out. Unless Kirin gets another update or upgrade, she probably won't beat lkali much less uvo lkali (36x every turn is so ridiculously OP).
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€ rial in reply to ryanatk 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I'm confused. Did I light the powder keg or was it someone else?
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Tommy@PF in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
@grape "she's useless without her REM gods."

http://imgur.com/1pwON2b
http://imgur.com/TAvLyMW

0 stone Grand Sonia and God Rush

No Fuma, 3 farmable subs.

Please argue again :)
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Mori@/r in reply to € rial 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I agree with all your points except the first: U&Y's AS doesn't support the LS better than Kali, since Kali has a guaranteed activation of her LS when you use her AS. Add Fuma or, if you're cheap like me, Gold Pirate, and you've got a guaranteed TPA or two light combos, and almost certainly more, as getting less than 3 wood and three light orbs is unlikely. U&Y is just a two-color change.
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Rockhound in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.5 ) 
You're an idiot grape... Kirin does 2.5x damage once 3 certain orbs are matched, so the damage is not as much compared to Kali. Get it straight idiot.
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Eurytus 3 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
As someone who has both Kali and Sakuya, I was on the fence until this Uevo. Now I've just gotta level up and evo Kali... from her base form.
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Etherious in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
You need Water, wood and fire too. Valk+ Vetch's only gives you lights.
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Haruto6561 2 years ago ( 9.0.3 ) 
You see, grape, REM heavy teams can also be made from luck and dedication. You're just unlucky and jealous.
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PewDeePew 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
juggler beats all the challenge dungeons.
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nathan@N17 in reply to € rial 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I agree. But i don't agree with durga being last. So let's just compare all the 2nd stage evos. Durga, lumiel (when she comes here, she's f***ing insane for durga), dark valk ( ideally the better option but also persephone if you can max her, or even d.kali but i don't like suggesting her as a sub because of how powerful she is) then awoken hades (arguably the best sub to fulfill her wood attribute) and then the last can be filled with whatever. Dill Sirius for instant tpa, okuninushi with a delay, stat stick and extra damage boost, beelzebub with his massive attack and dark enhance, chibi luci for the time extends, dragon voice is always a decent option, cursed wyrm or dark izanami for defensive abilities. Ever since durga got her skill up I've been experimenting with her now, yeah she lacks the board change (until her key card comes to NA) but seriously though her team packs a huge punch. I'm not trying to argue with everybody else about who's the best, it's hard to really say. It seems like you guys are comparing ultimate kirin and ultimate UY with a 2nd stage durga. It depends on the subs and the descend, but durga shouldn't be last. Now obviously kali will be the best (she's a special rem god, she better be the best)
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nathan@N17 in reply to ryanatk 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Lol....please.....this is nothing compared to what I start. It's actually pretty pleasant
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nathan@N17 in reply to grape :^) 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
It almost feels like you have a stan-wicked lady thing going on here.....just not as serious as stan
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PewDeePew 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
juggler >> everything
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grape :^) in reply to 桐 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Kirin can do the same with a full REM team and Indra. But I was wrong about Kali not being able to clear Challenge 10, she's not that bad, I'll give her that :DDDDD
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grape :^) in reply to nickjr 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I love how you say that I should give evidence and numbers when you don't give it either.
Instead of making fun of me, how about actually giving arguments to debate me?

Kirin can make a team of Verche/Valk/Echidna/Flex and actively pummel everything. She has a higher health amount, and with Valk she has 100% orb enhance.

Without Fuma, Kali can't reliably get the 2 or more prong activations needed to actually deal damage more than Kirin. You have to deal with only one prong that only gives Kali more damage. Kirin gives enhanced light to all light monsters on her team.

To think that Kirin is worse, especially when she's physical, meaning that she has a huge health amount, is being simply wrong.

Kali can't even do Challenge Level 10, but Kirin can, because of her large health.
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grape :^) in reply to Anon 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
It's not ancient world, Kirin is still relevant and is still wrecking dungeons with farmable teams.

Echidna is still undeniably good, you can't argue that at all. Without her you wouldn't be able to deal the damage that you do.

You people keep arguing and asking for numbers when you can't even do the numbers yourself.
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grape :^) in reply to Donaldz 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
You get 1.1x for each orb enhance for the WHOLE TEAM. That's a lot of damage if you have 100% orb enhance. Better than Kali's 2.25x multiplier. With Kirin you can focus your damage with light monsters like Verche and Valk, who can fill up the board with light, unlike Kali who needs Fuma to fill up the board with light.

Also, good luck finishing Sandalphon descended with Kali, nonetheless farming it to get the skill ups you need to use his active.

With Kirin you have more light creatures, Kirin still reigns supreme with her farmable team clearing descends. Do you see why no one actually gave a concrete farmable team for Kali that is better than Kirin's? Because there isn't one.

Why would I pay a gorillion dollars to make a Kali team when I can make a Kirin team with no money at all and beat MORE of the game?
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grape :^) in reply to ??@PF 3 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Proof that she can't? She just needs to take damage reduction like Reco did with his Kali clear.

I would do it if I had a hypermaxed Kirin team ;_;
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