No.1745
天奏の聖華神・小喬
 God / Healer
7 ★
MP 5000 Cost 35
 LvHPATKRCVWeightSellExp
110067063563606601575
992865132154173165340155925
 *1 Experience gain bonus from same element
 *2 Weighted Stat: HP / 10 + ATK / 5 + RCV / 3
Change Dark orbs to Light orbs, Fire orbs to Heart orbs.
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CD: 13 Turns ( 8 Turns at Lv.6 )
This card can be used as assist.
Healer type cards HP x1.25. All attribute cards ATK x4 when attacking with 4 of following orb types: Fire, Water, Wood, Light, Dark & Heart.
Skill Up Cards
Assist Bonus Stat
HP +287 ATK +66 RCV +81 ( Max Lv )
HP +386 ATK +91 RCV +126 ( Max Lv & +297 )
Applicable Killer Latents
Awoken Skills
Evolution
Lv50
Ultimate Evolution
Reverse Ultimate Evolution by using
Grayed out Japanese cards
Three Kingdoms 1 Series
Drop Locations for #1745
This card can be obtained by:
- Evolution from Divine Flowers, Da Qiao & Xiao Qiao
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By Kirito 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I just wish this version got the extra awakenings too. I need her God Type to keep her on my Athena team :(
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gauchito 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Seriously. I'm going to do L/L but I'll be really sad about not having her on my athena team =(
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Stratus 3 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
OK with the latest update XQ got buffed up with 2 new awakenings, 1 skill block and 1 dragon slayer , bringing her grand total to six. the other sister (big sis) also got an extra skill block bringing a her a total of 7. I would say the sisters are pretty much evened out now, with each with thier custom set of awakenings serving different roles.
Last edited by Stratus 3 years ago ( 8.7.0 )
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By nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
This may sound rude.......but it's coming from me, what's new. But i wish people would shut the **** up about how XQ should've kept her LS. For the last, and i honestly don't understand why you guys can't comprehend this, time....x5 IS WORSE WHEN YOU NEED FIRE, WATER, WOOD, LIGHT, DARK AND HEAL ORBS, with the fact that her active takes away two of those. Why on earth are you wanting to sacrifice two pointless active spots AND having to put a dark card on your team just for a x25? Why can't you guys realize that a board of light, light, light, light, light, light, light, wood, water, heal WILL COMPLETELY OUT-DAMAGE any board with all 6 colors. Granted my board above is the perfect board but you can make it with the actives, you'll be lucky to get 3 light combos and trying to get x25. People have tried explaining it to you but for some reason all your mind can understand is 5>4 even though there is more to this game then that. I may be an a$$hole but seriously you not getting that horrible XQ is for your own good. Now sure i thought they were going to give her a damage buff like x1.2 for healers and x4 (or whatever) but more hp for healers is definitely needed as well. If you don't like it then there is a beast you can get with a simple angelit
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roonbloke 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Hey, man, calm down, its only a game.

But you're also totally right. People complaining about the lack of 5x have no idea what they're talking about. Hopefully I can expand on what you're saying/say it clearly.

Let's say you make a team of all main-attribute light monsters. Not hard to do, really, except for fire and dark. Even then there are good options like L. Kali, Hera Sowl, Shin, Arthur, etc. Let's also say that you're looking at a board that has at least three of every color. (so that you can activate 5x)

With non-5x XQ, you can use valk-XQ to get a total of nine or more light orbs. So if you combo everything, you'll get 1 or 2 water, heart, and wood combos and three or more light combos. Since you're a main-attribute light team, the light damage is all that really matters.

worst case:16*3(two colors were changed to light, so at least nine light orbs)=48x.
avg case: 16*5 (half of the colors on the board were turned to light, so half the orbs are light)=70x
best case: 16*7(you still need three wood/heart/water orbs)=112x

Using the 5x activation? You can't use Valk or XQ's skill at all, or ruin your perfect board, so most of your orbs won't be light orbs. You could use a 'spawn x light orbs' skill, as with shin, but you risk ruining your board completely.

worst case:25*1=25x
avg case: 25*2(assuming that there are ~five orbs of each color and rounding up.)=50x
best case:25*5(need three of fire/water/wood/dark/heart, so max is 15 light orbs)=125x

In other words, you can deal more damage with the 25x activation, but that 'best case' has a 2.12x10^-12 chance of happening. That's about a fifth of a hundredth of a billionth of a chance. The other 'best case' while using Valk+XQ, is more like 3.05*^-5, which is a little over a third of a thousandth. Almost all of the time, you would be better off for using DQXQ's active and forgoing the 5x activation.

And while you won't be using XQ's skill every turn, you also won't have a board that you can get the 5x bonus on something like 60% of the time.

TL;DR. The 5x leader skill was useful only on something like 40% of non-boss floors. Where I come from, we call that useless. 1.2x HP to healers? Much better. This was a win for players.
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roonbloke in reply to AUO 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
DQXQ can be run as a rainbow lead, but such a team is generally a bad idea outside of specific descends like Kanetsuguu. At the end of the day, 16x or even 25x with a rainbow team just isn't going to be enough for most descends.

Practically speaking, you probably are going to trade some amount of damage for utility, but if you care about damage at all you should focus heavily on light, since, you know, DQXQ's skill makes light orbs and completely gets rid of fire and dark.
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AUO in reply to roonbloke 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Ur assuming ppl are playing a rainbow leader like it's a mono-color leader.
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Firecat in reply to MrMarinara 4 years ago ( 7.5 ) 
1.25x HP is amazing for healers.

There is a reason the L Metatron buff was so good. She runs teams that have 30k some odd HP now which was her biggest issue (and that of healers in general really)

That 5x trigger was useless in comparison.

Then again I find XQ generally useless anyway. The HP is nice but DQ has much higher potential as a sub and potentially as a lead.
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MrMarinara 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
What I really don't get, is why all the people saying 4x atk is better than 5x atk couldn't just be happy with Da Qiao since her leader skill never changed from the original Ascending Dance? Why did you people have to complain and ruin both ult evos instead of just being happy with Da Qiao and letting those of us who want 5x atk use Xiao Qiao? After all, we all have different play styles and if you're like me, you don't use Selfless Devotion at the final boss. Even if you did, XQ WOULD STILL GIVE YOU THE 4X ATK!! YOU WEREN'T LOSING ANYTHING! Now we get 1.2x HP for healers. whoop.

Also you are all basing your arguments on the assumption that we will only use this leader with a light att team. 4x atk with selfless devotion gives you more light damage, yes, but stop assuming we only use this leader to defeat dark att enemies.
Last edited by MrMarinara 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 )
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nickjr in reply to MrMarinara 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
"Now we get 1.2x HP for healers. whoop."

To be fair, 1.44x HP for /healers/ really isn't that bad. Their HP is sorta in a sweet spot: low enough so that they actually do need that HP boost (e.g. 15k with 1x HP, blegh), and high enough so that 1.44x HP actually does make a difference (e.g. 20k+ with 1.44x HP, yahoo).

"Also you are all basing your arguments on the assumption that we will only use this leader with a light att team. 4x atk with selfless devotion gives you more light damage, yes, but stop assuming we only use this leader to defeat dark att enemies."

agreed orz I have exactly 8 light healers with subattributes: Tornado Holy Dragon, Angelion, Valk, L/L Archangel, L/W Archangel, 2x mini dqxq, and 1x DQXQ. Can't really build a light-centric DQXQ team, so I go rainbow instead.
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OuP 4 years ago ( 7.8.1 ) 
i don't know why anyone would complain about such an overpowered ls. This puts lmeta to shame which kinda sucks but whatever
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Vinny 3 years ago ( 9.0.3 ) 
Er i main this lead for a reason. The hp boost is awesome and i use sun quan as a 2 turn burst with double leader actives and an all healer team she hits like a truck and on top of that i run a lmeta for bind clear and a Raphael for damage immunity for two turns that on top of my 35K hp like come at me bro. I have hardly found any dungeon i cant clear with some good combos and well timed actives. I also run a rodin beat stick for the poison for any super high def enemies. I know thats a heavy rem team but with what i have dumped into this game ya better believe I'm going to utilize every card i have.
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Cameron@PG in reply to roonbloke 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
sshhh, we dqxq users have to have something to whine about....




...


but at least it would've been nice if they kept in 5x atk...
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By Anteka 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
This art is better than Ult Da Qiao as it is less bland and makes better use of colors. It feels like her main type should be water though light can't be resisted.
Last edited by Anteka 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 )
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探偵 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
I personally like Da Qiao's art better. Xiao Qiao here is L/W so the black animal in the back throws me off. Also, calling Da Qiao's color scheme bland, or at least saying Xiao Qiao's color scheme less bland, is like saying LKali's ultimate color scheme bland. With Da Qiao you get a perfect balance of red, white, and gold, with some black and brown contrast, whereas with Xiao Qiao you have about half and half white and blue, and then this black creature in the background and her very eye catching green hair.
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探偵 in reply to Meta 4 years ago ( 7.8.1 ) 
I don't think they will ever make an evolution that requires REM exclusive monsters as evo mats. There's some sort of law that makes it illegal.
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Meta 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
im sorry if this is wrong but I want her to get an awoken ult that is overly op but requires you to feed one ult to the other. it co7ld be somthing like reunion of _______ and be 5x atk for matching 4 different att. increase by 1 up to 8x for all 7 att. I know thus would be op but with the new kali ults I fell it would actually be somewhat balanced.
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Meta 4 years ago ( 7.8.1 ) 
her pet in this ult looks so cool it should get its own card
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探偵 in reply to Meta 4 years ago ( 7.8.1 ) 
Yeah, I also hope those creatures in Ars Paulina's art get their own cards too. Very cute.
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By Lbsteez 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
check out her sis just hangin onto that music
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By JD@PG 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Zhou Yu Descended. Do it Gungho.
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Heroism 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Looks like Gungho listened!
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By Davi 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
why do i have to choose? T-T
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DLish 3 years ago ( 8.7.0 ) 
Welp, awoken is coming and it is both again so you don't any more ;)
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By Herobyte 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Then Gungho said "Nein, Thouest First 5x LS is too op", and then the great XQ was nerfed.

5 days later Gungho said " Thou must make a new!", Gungho proceeds to give the great XQ's power to create New 6x god fest monsters.
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Amy in reply to roonbloke 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
May I ask what planet that u live on that LZL is mediocre?! U clearly are not using him right!
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roonbloke in reply to nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I actually do own him, have since he came out. But he's been rotting in my monster box since I got him and I haven't looked at him in a long time, so I didn't know about his updated AS.

so, wow, I'm an idiot, but I'm happy because I finally have a role for him. This changes things!
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Skyknight 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
It wasn't on account of power level. It was because, in a bit of haste to make Xiaoqiao's leader skill more potent than the original, they missed that Selfless Devotion leaves you with no more than four orb types (i.e. just light, water, wood, and heal). So, they changed it to one that doesn't clash with Selfless Devotion.
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nathan@N17 in reply to Amy 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Lol right. LZL is a beast if you are good enough to use. He's only as mediocre as the user
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nathan@N17 in reply to roonbloke 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Apparently a 10k healing active doesn't help you stay 100%
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roonbloke in reply to Amy 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
He is a good leader, and a great sub, but he's not as versatile as most of the other special gods. Orb enhance as a skill is only useful in certain situations, and doesn't do anything to help him get his LS back if he does get hit. His leader skill is great... except that he's weak to preemptive attacks and he really can't stall. While he can blast through a lot of the longer dungeons, he gets stuck in a lot of end-game content. I have both him and metatron, and I cannot think of a single dungeon that he can run that she can't.

As a sub, he has kickass stats and awakenings, and he's pretty great. Still has a meh active skill though, which makes him sub-optimal for teams he could otherwise really shine on, like athena.

Probably should have used GGY as an example.
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nathan@N17 in reply to roonbloke 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
What? His active doesn't help him get back to using his LS? And you say you own him. Do you not know how much he can heal with his active?
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roonbloke 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
This is way better than a ridiculously hard to activate 5x. If you've played with DQXQ healer teams at all you'd see that. Her Hp is just too low to stay alive in many descends.

And yes, the new special gods are stronger. Because they're special. Special Gods are always a cut above everything else out there. Except LZL. He's pretty mediocre.
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By Cameron@PG 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Guys, when I first saw the two uevos, I instantly decided that I would stay with xiao qiao, because not only do I use her as a lead, but also as a sub on my athena team. However, I feel like after removing the 5x on xiao qiao, it's not longer worth it to uevo it to xiao qiao. 1.2 hp and god type are the only things xq has on dq. dq has an almost identical ls, not to mention better stats and better awakenings. Literally the only reason that people will uevo to xq is for the better ls. Who cares that xq's active ruins the leader skill. Not only are you getting a buttload of x16 dmg, but if you get a skyfall, then it becomes even better. this is for all those ppl who were complaining over xq's active skill. Just remember, it could be more like horus' leader skill... absolutely situational...
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By lain 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I wish it were x1.2 HP for God Types

Whenever I use her as a lead its always in a God team with Izanagi. You've got so many more options with a God team.
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Colours ツ 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Guess the main reason why they make it healer, just so that DaQiao or SunQuan could pair up with XiaoQiao or become her subs since they both lose god typing during uvo.
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roonbloke 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
but DQXQ god teams don't really have an hp problem, so it would be a little redundant. Not that you can ever really have too much hp, but it just wouldn't make sense.
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roonbloke 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
1.2 HP for light attribute like Hathor would have been nicest overall. But that would tread on Hathor's turf so yeah.
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By myFire 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Kyaa the Zhou Yu LS needs XQ <3
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By Setsura 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Why did she minus 100 rcv from original????????vand she's a healer
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By RedPyramid 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Which uevo is better though?
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roonbloke 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Depends what team you want her for.

End-game content (aka extreme hera/God/dragon rush) requires you to tank a lot of big hits in succession, and XQ is probably a better leader in that case, thanks to her sizeable hp bonus, even if only three or four of your subs are healers.

For raw burst potential, DQ is better as a lead, since she has more rows. For this reason she probably functions better as a lead in traditional descends.

As a sub, DQ is going to be better, especially on Lmeta teams. She also fits on an apocalypse team, with her high recover. The only thing XQ has as a sub is the god typing, which is relevant in Athena or Izanagi teams.
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milkyway 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
It depends, do you want to loose because you cant tank a single hit with L/L ulto, and have a little extra attacking power with 1 TPA and some rows, or do you want a team that you can win just few more dungeons with due to the hp boost at the cost of her being a decent sub because of loosing her TPA and rows like with kthe L/W ulto.

Summary:

L/L better sub due to awakenings
L/W slightly better leader due to tiny hp boost
Last edited by milkyway 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 )
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By Herobyte 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
The rest, is silence.
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By doodoobee 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
wtf, my leader isnt working today
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By Stratus 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
From what I've been reading from other players I dont think this version is as useful as her Big sister. I can see how The developers had designed the littler sister to function as leader. So I was thinking in order to make her more effective in her intended role, since she is a leader with 2 class types to represent "God" and "Healer" why not let her leader skill offer some kind of minor support to both her classes? Right now her skill only supports 1 of her types "healer". almost every every monster with 2 classes and a class supportive leader skill offers some kind of support boost to both their classes. perhaps something simple like 1.25 hp for healer & god.

and if not maybe grant her 1 more awoken skill to give her some more niche use as a sub. Something like Light/water +orb enhance chance would be simple and good for her. Shes a rainbow multi color combo leader after all, her strength lies in matching several quick small sets of different color orbs, she dosen't have time to make long rows and favor a single color over another, so she really cant make use of her 2 row awakenings, orb enhance would allow her to continue to do her job (rainbow combo matching) while scoring some extra water/light bonus damage when she can. Rows are way more suited for mono color leaders and subs and as such her big sis is a highly coveted sub for light teams. (heart maker + light orb changer + double light rows)
Last edited by Stratus 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 )
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By Stratus 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 ) 
Welp the new ultimate dark/light golems officially blow away her leader skill, all for the same cost plus they get triple typing too. Also they're unbind able and have more rainbow friendly awakenings. (rows arent too helpful on rainbow leaders) plus they are farmable and non rem based cards. I guess we'll just have to wait for the day the combo sisters to get "awoken" alternate evos. but may cost jewels/rare rgb dragon fruits + a random ingredient boss monster also the wait list might be pretty long. Or even more less likely they might simply buff the current ultimate versions of both sisters.
Last edited by Stratus 3 years ago ( 8.6.2 )
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By Aloongish 2 years ago ( 12.0.3 ) 
This is a really good sub for ameno. This card can get double dragon killer. (One from latents, one from her awakening), decent rcv too and 1830 light attack.
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By nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Seriously reading this page makes me fear the future of PAD. So many ignorant sayings. "Who cares if the active doesn't match the LS..." the dumbest thing I've heard in a long time
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By Senor Taco 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Lol i just realized that one ult is da qiao and the other is xiao qiao ._.
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By Dr. Psaroo 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Black and blue
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By Zerreth 4 years ago ( 8.0.4 ) 
Something's been bothering me since I saw the release of xiao qiao's artwork, and I've only now figured it out. Her face is too wide. Like SHAFT wide. It's just within that uncomfortable zone where you can tell it was unintentional vs. artistic direction.
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nickjr 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
If anything, I feel like that for DQ's artwork, not XQ's o.o to me, XQ looks cute while it looks like the artist accidentally used the Skew function on DQ's face without realizing it.

but I don't have an eye for these things, so I can't really say anything about proportions and stuff xD
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Guest 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
Is it just me or is her and that black dragon dog on the side making the same face
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By ryanatk 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Sona?
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Colours ツ 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
//wrong comment
Last edited by Colours ツ 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 )
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By epharian 4 years ago ( 7.8.1 ) 
Looking at this, I've been thinking about rainbow healer teams all with main light attributes. Can't be done, as there are no light/dark healers in NA. So you'll have to go with a D/L healer for that one.

XQ

FIRE: L. Kali (light/fire)
DARK: EIther Kitty BadShynee (which I have) or Lightning Dark Tiamat (I don't have this, but Tiamat has better stats, Kitty has better awakenings (TPA), active seems to be a wash).
WOOD: Either Warrior Rose Valkyrie, Tornado Holy Dragon or Angelion. Depends on active needs and awakening needs. I only have Angelion, but could (theoretically) get THD.
WATER: XQ actually has this, but Archangel is a good backup singer if you want. Lots of choices: Metatron (I dont' have), Venus (also not mine), Sandalphon (not mine either), and so on. My best choice HP wise is Archangel.
Light: Ra is your best choice for HP, followed by Angelious, Da Qiao. then Ameratsu Ohkami. Of those, I only have Angelious.

So, my team is:
XQ
L. Kali
Kitty BadShynee
Angelion
Archangel
Angelious.
XQ

Final HP is 32,045, light attack is 8,922. TPAs or rows will do a lot of extra damage, but this is a good team. A few problems on various awakenings, but lots of damage, lots of orb changes. Not that XQ gets orb-trolled very much, but it *can* happen.

http://www.puzzledragonx.com/en/simulator.asp?q=1745.99.1.99.99.99.4..1747.99.1.99.99.99.6..760.99.1.99.99.99.3..1103.99.1.99.99.99.3..1145.70.1.99.99.99.2..1745.99.1.99.99.99.4
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By 4thRiech 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
How can they just take away x5 like that she needs to be equal. at least go to 4.5
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Rookie 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
That's because that 5x LS won't work with the active skill. If you use the active skill, there will only be a maximum of 4 types of orbs on the board. And Gungho can't change the active skill because that will reset the skill level of everyone's max-skilled XQs.
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Minori 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Healer ATK 1.2x would've worked imo.
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nickjr in reply to roonbloke 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
As someone who uses DQXQ/DQXQ and ETS with ETS/LMeta friends 90% of the time, I really have to agree with your post. No HP multiplier for my DQXQ/DQXQ team hurts really badly, but 9x/10.5x (or 12x, if I go ETS/DQXQ) is really pitiful.

1.44x HP with the same 16x multiplier will solve my anguish with both problems. I can get to a little over 20k HP instead of sitting at 14k HP (yes, I run all healers with DQXQ/DQXQ; I like the RCV) and still have the 16x that I love.
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Minori in reply to roonbloke 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Of course a row-based team is going to do very nice damage on an ideal burst turn. The problem is that you won't always be able to make 2 rows (the only option is Apollo, who is REM, non-healer, covers only red, and restricts you to Kirin activation on that turn). Moreover, you generally won't be able to make rows outside of burst turns. On the other hand, sure, LKali and other 5x will be orb trolled more, but they always have access to TPA damage and will always be able to make 2 or more 4-combos when bursting.

There's a pretty clear difference here - 5x have riskier activation but much better damage when activating, a hypothetical 4.8x XQ would have more consistent activation but lower damage except on burst turns where they would be pretty close (but 5x with TPA still wins out in ideal cases).

Also note that building row-based XQ gets most of its power from Awoken Venus. Might as well complain about Wukong teams while you're at it since not only can they stack more light subs and light rows to get ridiculous burst damage, they don't even need to combo to activate.
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roonbloke in reply to Minori 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
your XQ would get 4.8x for matching four of any type of orb. Kirin gets 5x for matching 4 specfic orbs. And sure, being restricted to healers is a little bit of a thing, but it's pretty small compared to never ever being orb trolled.

Yes, its easy to pick on Kirin atm. But would you give up a two prong from L. Kali if you could guarantee that you'd never be ob-trolled? Hell yes you would!
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Minori in reply to roonbloke 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
You wouldn't give up a TPA if it meant you would be below a specific damage threshold, and considering it's a difference of two TPA awakenings, you will definitely run into situations where you need that extra 2.25x.

I think the main issue is that you're overvaluing XQ's easy activation. Yeah, you'll be able to "activate" all the time, but to actually do damage you still need light orbs like any other light-based team. So her activation is actually light + 3 other colors on normal turns, and thus you need to fully clear the board to get new light orbs... which is equivalent to 5x leads clearing their board of excess and useless orbs. In other words, whereas XQ has significantly better activation on a random board (but can still be orb-trolled through missing light), her consistency over turns is actually only slightly better when clearing the board strategically.

And when you need damage, XQ's activation becomes a lot like 5x activation anyways because of orb changing and possibly excluding red or dark subs.

As a new uevo that boosts her power as a lead instead of as a sub, I think it's okay for her to be strong. Making her 4.8x for healers puts her at about the same power level as pre-uevo LKali or uevo U&Y - it keeps her meta-relevant without changing her relative strengths and weaknesses. 1.2x healer HP, on the other hand, is not only slightly on the weak side (about as strong as Set and Hathor and they don't have uevos yet), it makes her more generic considering everyone and their mother have spike + small defensive boost these days. Why don't you want XQ to be unique and special??
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milkyway in reply to Minori 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
or 1.35x healer attack and 1.35x hp. Now that would have been worth the ulto.
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milkyway in reply to roonbloke 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
I think you guys are forgetting that she loses her TPA in this new ulto... She goes from having 4.5x attack in her other ulto to having only 4x attack in this ulto. It acts like a trade off. You can either pick slightly higher hp, or slightly higher attack. I said in my last post why I think they should have done with her. The other acceptable alternative would be for her to keep her TPA while also adding the hp boost. Overall, she did not really get that much better. Although I may be responding to old posts. She needs a new ulto to keep up with the others.
Last edited by milkyway 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 )
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roonbloke in reply to Minori 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
4.8x attack for healers would just make healer teams even more of a glass cannon than they already are. It would effectively make her a 5x lead with an activation that's way easier than any of the other 5x leads. Overall she'd be strictly superior to every 5x lead out there, except for maybe Kali's new ult. (which is a little op btw, but hey, power creep)

Point is, 1.2x HP is huge for a lot of dungeons, it doesn't trivialize other 5x leads, and it meshes well with her active skill and typing. 16x is more than enough damage for most dungeons, particularly as on a healer team you have ample ways to buff damage (rows with venus, Sandalphon, Shynee, or Arcline's healer enhance, or tpa and orb enhance with Kali and LZL.)

I've basically had to phase out my healer team for higher end mythical descends, but this will put my healers right back into the game. Frankly, a hybrid DQ/XQ team is looking particularly strong at the moment, even if you're only running two healer subs on your team.

tl;dr. this leader skill is better designed than the last one, and more powerful. It fits into the meta, solves existing problems with healer teams. It also isn't silly overpowered to point of disturbing the meta, like a flat 1.2x to healers would be.

Also, XQ is a better sub for Athena and other God teams. So yeah, I'm really torn. But that's what friends are for!
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Minori in reply to roonbloke 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
1.2x healer ATK wouldn't trivialize other 5x leads because of the type restriction in addition to the slightly lower multiplier and fewer awakenings (most notably a lack of double TPA). Awoken Parvati and the rest of Juggler creep is much more concerning for classic 5x.

DQXQ has always been the glass cannon of the 3K series, being the only one to offer no defensive boosts as a tradeoff for a relatively easy 4x activation. I'd rather they emphasize that aspect and let other cards handle the niche of tankier spike teams (e.g. LMeta, Christmas Kirin, Hathor, Set).
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4thRiech in reply to Rookie 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
then why not change the active too?
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roonbloke in reply to Minori 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
4.8 for DQXQ absolutely would trivialize other 5x leaders. With XQ/Venus/Sandalphon/green sub/DR sub/XQ, you get six rows, which is frankly more than enough. Using CTW to get two rows, you'll get 3x from rows, 23.04 from the LS, 2x from healer enhance, and 1.5 from orb enhance, for a net 207x multiplier with 4.8x, or 144x with the current LS.

Can, say, pre-ult L. Kali deal more damage than this theoretical XQ? Yes. if you have three or more REM subs like Arthur and LZL, L.Kali can get 350x damage or so, if you make 3 TPAs and match three other colors, which can be prohibitively difficult without CTW. So in this scenario, a special god with a luxury team can outpace a mostly farmable XQ team on a burst turn, if you have godly matching skills. Meanwhile, XQ has two flex slots, Damage resistance with Sandalphon, and is completely immune to orb troll. (L. Kali has 30% chance to get trolled on first round, more as turns progress.)

But more to the point, making XQ a 5x lead destroys her uniqueness. We already have two 5x healer leaders, we don't need a third.
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RedPyramid 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
This is just me thinking out loud but wouldn't they take the 5x away because of how easy they are to use? Horus has 5x because he has an elimination of heart orbs. Kirin has 5x cause she has specific colours. Ra needs everything. The Divine Flowers are really easy to activate do making them 5x would make them 'broken' no? It's no fun if it's to easy. Plus they already have über op characters like freakin juggler and those 2 new special gods so I think this is a nice change of pace. It allows users who have them use them normally just with awesome awakenings/stat boosts.
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By Undómiel 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Who cares about that stupid AS not matching 5x LS? You are just gonna use AS once in each dungeon and use LS at least 7-10 times!! Just because a few people were whining about it 5x is now taken away and XQ is gonna be outclassed by all those 5x, 6x, 7x leaders. Look at what you have done people!
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blumeanie 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
LKali got the leader skill I was hoping for XQ. Increased multiplier at higher combos... 1.2 is pretty much garbage anyway.
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BioCryo 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Yes it is true that you may only use an active skill once a dungeon, but the point of the leader skill is to get you the damage output or survival to clear the floors up until the boss and continue to help there. But.... the second that you forgo the fact that the active skill is your boss (or whatever the hardest floor for you to clear) killer is the second that you take out the planning and strategy of putting together a team and let the skyfall gods take their place. (Yes I know the skyfall gods can ruin your day still, but that can always happen)
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milkyway in reply to BioCryo 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
Her skill definitely helps increase overall damage and decrease the effects of being orb trolled. Even if you use a rainbow team there are always double the yellow output due to having both leaders being yellow.
Last edited by milkyway 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 )
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nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Yeah that makes sense.....let's make people sacrifice two wasted active skill slots on a team just because you think you need x5. A light heavy x16 board will beat a x5 of every single orb color no matter which way you look at it. MAYBE you could get 3 light combos and still match all 5 other colors to get a weak x25, or you could match about 6 light combos with a x16 and shred the poor guy you're fighting.
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By MrMarinara 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Waited so long for this ult and they take away her 5x all because a few people were crying about how her active skill was counter-intuitive with her leader skill. This is a spike team leader! You shouldn't need Selfless Devotion, and if you do then I guess you make that trade off for less damage. Forget this, I'm rolling for Ra...
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GyozaCrumb 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Except 16x with more light orbs is more damage?
The 5x in her old new leader skill was bad, basically the same leader skill as before. At least this new one adds something to the team
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