God / Devil
7 ★
MP 5000 Cost 35
 *1 Experience gain bonus from same element
 *2 Weighted Stat: HP / 10 + ATK / 5 + RCV / 3
Active: Secret Box
Change Wood orbs to Dark orbs, Light orbs to Heart orbs. Enhance Heart orbs, +6% per orb.
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CD: 13 Turns ( 8 Turns at Lv.6 )
This card can be used as assist.
ATK x2 when simultaneously clearing 4 connected Dark orbs. ATK x0.5 for each additional orb, up to ATK x4 at 8 connected orb.
Skill Up Cards
Assist Bonus Stat
HP +295 ATK +69 RCV +76 ( Max Lv )
HP +394 ATK +93 RCV +121 ( Max Lv & +297 )
Applicable Killer Latents
Awoken Skills
Ultimate Evolution
Reverse Ultimate Evolution by using
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Heroes God Series
Drop Locations for #1736
This card can be obtained by:
- Evolution from Goddess of the Bleak Night, Pandora
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By NIQQAR 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
RareKyurem 4 years ago ( 7.5 ) 
Now its here in NA!
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COBUSDEI 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Any one realize that she got a "Tattoo" on his Left leg at this ArtWork (ArtWork in ArtWork???) O.o
drgnwzrd 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
She's even better now that you get a multipler for fewer matches like in JP.
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By Alex 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
While I am a heavy user of devil teams, it's getting a bit ridiculous how EVERY good dark, or in many cases fire monsters are getting devil-typed.

Again, I love the devil series, but it's oversaturation of just beast subs/leaders that all blend with each other with excellent synergy (Haku, Perse, Ronia, Pandora, the list goes on), is making pretty much all other typing inferior to devils, by a pretty huge gap too.

It does make the game easier for me having a Ronia and a few good devil subs, but I do feel like creativity in team-building is starting to go out the window. Whatever happened to balanced and physical teams!?
TOFU@KYHAY in reply to Alex 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
You're so wishy-washy.
A Wet Cow 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I think they are a little biased in certain situations concerning synergy, but there is one major thing I've noticed devil teams lack.

Suck on that, Merriam Webster.
Alex 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Haahhaha I love how this comment got downvoted! Serves me for being a hypocrite LOL
Rubicari in reply to A Wet Cow 4 years ago ( 7.5 ) 
Unless you're thinking of skill lock, then I disagree. My Dark Ceres has been keeping my Devil teams bind free for a long time now.
Jerry@LL 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
I think you are just not creative. I also have Ronia and a host of other devils but I hardly ever use her anymore because I've used the crap out of her and find other teams much more fun to play right now. Currently I'm favoring my blue physical team
Last edited by Jerry@LL 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 )
Dennis 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Luckily Okinushi got Physical. If they had made him a devil, that would have gone too far.
Alex in reply to A Wet Cow 4 years ago ( 7.5 ) 
My Awoken Minerva has been doing most of the unbinds for me. But for dungeons where they bind by element throwing in a L.Meta for Light /blue binding works fine too. Considering how hard devil teams can already spike one non-devil sub to offset binding isn't the end of the world.
ShironWind in reply to dusz3k@PF 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
His point is not about devils being OP, but there are a lot more dark devils than almost every other type team. The only color-type team comp with the similar number of monster is light-God.
drgnwzrd 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
It's because devils live in hell -- inside the earth a very dark place full of fire.
Last edited by drgnwzrd 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 )
Altern@PFr in reply to A Wet Cow 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Aamir, the Carbuncle Pimplord, says hello.
redchief 4 years ago ( 7.8.1 ) 
Now they're making Hanzo a devil type too...
Alex 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
But the day I write that comment, I roll a pandora. Nvm gungho don't nerf devils <3
dusz3k@PF 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Devils are OP?

GZL says hello with all his OP green gods.
By (´v ` ) 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Is that 「hope」 she's offering me?

Because I already threw away all my hope of ever getting her.

Six months later...

...the void takes me.

Last edited by (´v ` ) 4 years ago ( 8.0.1 )
Dennis 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
hope < nope
By Karla 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 

Haters will hate but I prefer the previous artwork, and why did she get younger ? she was a beautifull young women, full of mystery.... and now she's a cute child. :(

I'm so desapointed... especially after seeing the awesome artwork they did for Andromeda (and for all the others).

But Pandora still remain my favorite leader. ^_^
Last edited by Karla 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 )
jigun 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I'm pretty sure for a little bit more of a youthful appearance comes from the fact that she just became a freaking God from Pandora's Box you know the whole becoming evil not giving a f#@$k
jigun 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
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By Falcon 4 years ago ( 7.5 ) 
Pandora's ult evo box is still closed in NA. I know it says updated in NA but unless the evo material recipe they have listed is wrong, she remains unchanged.
Revenore in reply to gotdemoted 4 years ago ( 7.5 ) 
Pandora's UVO is updated in the game but has yet to be activated. Always, and I repeat, always wait until an official announcement before you expend evo mats.
Last edited by Revenore 4 years ago ( 7.5 )
Archangel 4 years ago ( 7.5 ) 
I did the same thing. Plugged in the material and saw the button was not doing its normal flashing. So I didn't pull the trigger to gamble. Would hate to loose the Devlits.
gotdemoted 4 years ago ( 7.5 ) 
i cried so hard when i tried to evo her and nothing happpen but a super -__-
why you do this to me troll gungho
By CoffeeHo 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
I just ult evoed her. She was my first REM pull god and I am so happy to have her with god/devil typing. My game just got better.
By draka 4 years ago ( 7.5 ) 
I am not sure how to best use Pandora and why she is considered so good. A dual Pandora lacks the health or recovery to stall. Some descends also have like 4 bosses in a row. So how do you stall long enough to get enough actives to take out multiple bosses. I can't see doing any of the rushes with her either. I get the crazy good attack she can have, but I need suggestions on how to best use her. My current team is Dual Pandora leads, Arch Duke Vampire, Chaos Dragon Knight, Stealth BW Batman, and Sonia. Thanks
Diamona 4 years ago ( 7.5 ) 
While I use a DTS Tiamat, same strategy applies. A Max skill Level Hanzo, Vamp, and Cake-stealing Lex Luthor are good. The first two have good RCV values, while the last two have the HP. I use a Haku for the last slot, because she and Hanzo go well together. That means 4 skill boosts, so my elementary orb-changers are already locked and loaded. Pandora + Duke achieves the same effect as Haku + Hanzo for Super-Mega-Fun-Time. Since you want to enable yourself to get the Super-Mega-Fun-Time bursts, invest in leveling the skill levels of the multi-orb-color changers.

Voice just doesn't have great enough stats to cut it, and Pandora's ability already changes light, he's a bit redundant. Gronia is better swapped for Ronia, since red-dark has better orb-changer synergy than green-dark. And Batman has little place amongst your team, as he doesn't orb-change. You are better off replacing him with either the pickle-mage Dill for RCV, or Cake-aholic Lex for HP. Batman may have impressive burst, but against really bulky descend dungeons, his ability doesn't charge fast enough for good usage on a non-bulk-oriented teams like Duo-Panda teams. You are looking at a team that can take a single medium-level hit from one of the sub-bosses, while healing up between cooldowns and Super-Mega-Fun-Time.

Either go the devil-route and Lu Bu for massive damage (King Baddie if lacking in stones for REM), or get an orb enhancer like Jagi or even beelzebub. A 2x multiplier might be great, but a 2.5 or 3x multiplier is better. DTS Tiamat only works because he's max skill level, courtesy of Gogglers from the Princess Punt collab, and 1.3 for two turns can enable two ohkos.

Key points:
---Duo-Panda teams are not bulky. They aren't built for exchanging blows with the enemy, they are built to outright murder them preemptively. Anything that is going to hit you for over 10k next attack need to die, pronto. You can stall on hits lower than that.

---Voice's skill clashes with Pandora. They both get rid of light orbs, so the material to change into dark orbs will run out. Aim for a Hanzo.

---Batman might not be awesome enough as a burst-booster. Unless you can grow badpies in your living room, he won't be getting any skill-ups. If you can grow badpies in your living room, he's great, and TELL US YOUR SECRETS!

Dia out.
Hero 4 years ago ( 7.5 ) 
The key to any Hero team is having enough skill boost awakenings and orb changers with high skill levels to reduce stalling to a minimum. Watch some youtube videos, most of them have Hanzo ready on the first floor with Pandoras ready after a few turns.
Cornykova 4 years ago ( 7.5 ) 
Pandora teams are row-based teams. While Sonia is a decent sub, Haku is much better for example. Vampire and Dragon Knight are quick, farmable orb changers, but don't have any row enhance. That's why Hanzo for example is considered a good Pandora sub. Batman is good for bursting, but a lu bu can do this too (except for Hanzo). You should focus your subs on dark rows, so your lucifer for example is a very good sub (2x skill boost and 2x dark row)
By Dean 4 years ago ( 7.5 ) 
The amount of want I have for this card is immeasurable. Just one Devilit away. And the update of course.
By arthurtol 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
The best part about this uvo is the versatility it gives Pandora as a lead. You are no longer stuck with a Pandora co-lead (though its still a great option). You can now use a Lu Bu or Ronia as well, depending on the situation and dungeon. Ultimately, this makes Pandora teams the highest damage dealing dark team in the game as well as boosting HP and RCV as needed.

Essentially, this uvo makes Pandora one of the strongest cards in the game.
drgnwzrd in reply to nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Kushinada teams can 100x too.
nathan@N17 in reply to drgnwzrd 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Yes but 20 combos later
nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Well.......panda was already one of the strongest in the game in her pre ultimate. That's the crazy part, i say she WAS definitely in the top i say she's only behind anubis (because he can go x100 or x225, nothing can beat that). The fact that you can now boost with lubu (even though it's not even needed) and that dual leads brings 4 rows alone is just crazy
nathan@N17 in reply to hamelin 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
The difference is you need those subs for her to powerful like that, pandora on the other hand has a vast amount of options and that's the tie breaker (if there was even one). There are plenty of dark subs that have recovery and since you need to be comboing anyways to get orbs, you will recover whatever you lost. And since most of her subs have low cooldowns it's actually not hard to dish out damage time after time. I'm not saying any of the sonias aren't great (especially with the right sub) but there is a huge difference between x16 and x6.25. And if you noticed with spike teams they usually don't require much stalling because they can dish out the damage before any lethal strike
Thorsten in reply to nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
This is so true. I have her and haven't used her much yet, for devils I stick to Ronia. But with this new ult, along with the vritra that really just sits in my box....synergy with Lu Bu is looking really nice. Max lvl max + Vritra does more damage than MS. Just add in 2 ronias for 7 dark rows and non-stop orb changing.

I think I peed a little.
nathan@N17 in reply to Soo Jung 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
All this talk about juggler is annoying. Anubis just with two leaders can reach a mil by himself. Sure you need to combo but that's what this game is about. Juggler by himself can't compete with that. If you technically want to argue between the two cards. Now stupid rem dream teams are different so don't bring up jugg panda panda panda panda jugg. And if you really want to get technical, he can't even be in the same room as devil anubis (yes i know it's almost impossible to activate but just being technical)
hamelin 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I am still convinced that blonia is the strongest leader in the game, a decent blonia team can trash any dungeon and stall basically anywhere. Ofc the team I am talking about is not realistic but that doesn't mean I didn't see a japanese player use it.
Blonia +297, Blodin +297, Blodin +297, Blodin +297, Blonia +297/Bubblie +297 (depending on the situation) and Blonia +297.
The amazing thing about this team is its naturally high hp of 35k, the crazy 12 rows and the absolutely insane 21k recovery which means that you need 3 heart orbs and 3 other combo's to heal that 35k hp back. This team is quite boring to play though, its waiting for blonia's board change after which the 12 rows make quick work of any boss. Now that blodin has an ult, all you need is 4 water orbs to dish out massive damage and deal with trash and even mini-bosses. Besides, this team has 15! skill boosts which means you can have blonia up on the first turn, so orb trolling is no set back for this team and even if you manage to go a round without heart orbs, you can use blodins active to heal up.

I own a pandora myself and even I am amazed at the damage she dishes out sometimes and this new devil thing will sure help her a long way (can finally sub lu bu now!) but to say that she is the 'strongest' leader in the game is going overboard. Even when paired with Ronia, she won't even compare to blonia when it comes to survivability. Sure pandora can burst way higher, but dungeons like challenge dungeon lvl 10, demand 6 of those 6mil+ spikes without any breaks. With panda's recovery (10kish with ronia, 4.5k without) and HP (about 22k+) there is no way to 0 stone it.

Now I do see possiblities for pandora being a staple sub for Ronia/Ronia or even Beelzebub/Ronia teams and that is exactly where I will be using mine for the time being. I still have to skill persephone to make my panda team shine -.-
Soo Jung in reply to nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Actually Juggler is much stronger than anubis, i don't think 100x can beat 49x with row enhancements
By drgnwzrd 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Pandora is now the second highest rated monster in all of Puzzle Dragons with a member voted average rating of 9.5. Excluding appearance, Pandora and Athena are exactly tied at 9.533 average across active, team, and leader traits.

Compared to averages for other popular cards:
Athena: 9.6
Pandora: 9.5
Amaterasu: 9.3
Lucifer: 9.3
Ronia: 9.2
Metatron: 9.2
Grodin: 9.1
Haku: 9.1
Lu Bu: 9.0
Zhuge Liang: 9.0

Pandora is incredible. Thank your lucky stars if you roll her.
bbbot64 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Quick question; Is there anything I can do with three pandoras?
Sasuke☆*:. 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
綺羅の秘女神, Kali: 9.8

She's not technically released (in NA), but Kali's really good. I just rolled her and I'm really happy! Kali's ultimate has the most detailed and beautiful art in PAD so far in my opinion.

As a side note I have a level 11 Pandora sitting in my box. I guess I'll level her up when I'm done leveling Persephone. :P Pandora's ultimate is really pretty. :)
hotfiya in reply to bbbot64 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
pandora is the best pandora sub so yes!
By cgbrandys 4 years ago ( 7.5 ) 
Nevermind, she's here n.n
Last edited by cgbrandys 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 )
By El Rayo 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Got her late in the game. Haven't touched her since I evolved her. My Lu Bu build is solid so I don't think I'll be switching devil or dark leaders. However, she will be an amazing sub for the flying general. Super stoked! I can use Lu Bu active, match some rows, and heal in the same turn with this card. Woot woot! :D
El Rayo 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I also lack orb converters with short cool downs so she'll have to be a sub for now lol.
nathan@N17 in reply to El Rayo 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Broooo...get yourself a D/W vamp, he is one of the best devil/dark subs because of how easy he is to get and skill up.....and then obviously replace him with blaze valk if you ever get her......same with dragon knight voice. He offers 5 turns to change light to dark but obviously he's meant for pandy and not your lu bu team
tenko in reply to El Rayo 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
What I did was max skill my CDD via the Dark Insect Dragon to use it as a 2nd "fast" orb changer for Pandora (not lucky enough to pull Hanzo). Its cooldown may be so-so, but at least it has decent stats unlike Hamahime, and it can also make a 2/3s dark board off of Haku's active.
El Rayo in reply to tenko 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
All good points! I haven't been lucky enough to pull Hanzo, Haku, or dark Valk :( I'll work on Pandora and play around with the build. I've W/D Vamp mak skilled. Currently working on max skilling the D/W card.
By nturtle 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Not liking the art, but otherwise almost perfect.
By plumber 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
She's a beast but can still be binded......
By Cornykova 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Thank you, Pandora, for your short time with us, but you're role as a leader is done for... Have fun subbing for DValk or A. Lucifer.
By nturtle 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Something needs to be done about the spam downvoting individual with multiple PADX accounts that has been hitting threads lately. Mods do your job, it shouldn't be too difficult to figure out who is doing it.
PoyBoy 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Seriously, this is irritating and immature. Who ever have this much time to have that many accounts why don't just go help out your fellow PaD over at the forum.
By Bezoarr 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Happy Ronia is Happy - Thanks devil subtype!
By Nemesis 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
She has a nice hat. That's all I trust myself to say, and it's true. ^_^
CoffeeHo 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
What's with her red eyeball?

And what does her tattoo on her thigh symbolize?
Last edited by CoffeeHo 4 years ago ( 7.5 )
By Inagaki 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Yéé ultimate Pandora :D!
By nagato 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Haku will love too have u on her team as a sub and leader :)
Last edited by nagato 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 )
Felix 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I died a little reading that
By tamales 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
pandora <3
By lux143 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Awesome...cant wait! Oh, im in USA. If we're lucky, we will have these cards by 2016...
By nturtle 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Where is her nose? Why is her nose missing? WE MUST FIND HER NOSE!1!
Bryggyth 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Maybe someone took "got your nose" too seriously...
Penguyn 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
If you actually looked at the art, you'd find her nose right where it's supposed to be, next to her hair. She actually has a more visible nose in the uvo than her previous form...
By aszma 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Can someone explain why she is considered the "best" out of the series because a lot of the other heros seem to be able to do the same thing.
angel in reply to hamelin 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Okay well honestly people always make the assumption that just because something gets a subtype you automatically have to make the whole team that type for a burst for one turn... Realistically you don't need a 3/2.5x atk for one turn on a hero team. All you need are orb changers rows and SB. If your things are max leveled and you have a good amount of rows a burst is not needed. So it really doesn't matter about their type/subtype. Look at hanzo. He is not devil but he is still gonna be in every pandora team as he is a must have for pandora. There are different reasons why I would consider pandora the best hero mainly being her subs are better. Hanzo and Haku being probably the best subs for pandora puts pandora ontop as haku is the best Chinese sub due to her double dark rows and hanzo's high attack so damage output will be higher for pandora teams due to more rows and subs having higher attack. So basically pandoras sub pool makes her the best lead imo, and her subtype not having to do with that. The way I see it her getting devil just makes her a better sub now but in terms of lead I don't really see any difference in her subs and making her team devil only.
jigun in reply to hamelin 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I complete ly disagree with you... more so specifically on Yamato... the dragon subtyping is irrelevant.. he has perfect synergy with all red monsters.. actually his dragon subtyping makes him a perfect sub for rgy.. but you don't need a pump.. what you should say is that he needs to be Hypermax... the subtyping does it really matter when you have cards like Freyr .. the only thing I agree with you is rem heavy.. and the teams that are Sonia Sonia Sonia if you knew anything about heroes are actually bad.. there fun .can clear a lot of dungeons but you have a chance of not doing real damage because you might get trolled on the active .. but obviously you're showing pure favoritism towards Pandora.. who gives a crap you're not going to put all dragons on the team just to put a crappy pump.. honestly if you knew anything you don't even put pumps on Pandora's endgame team.. you only do that if your team is under leveled or underd plus... then there's some validity to your statement.. other than that I don't understand your comment ( no synergy) are you forgetting how much synergy fire has with it self? are you forgetting urd and cao ? or leilan and chiyome combo? also he's the only hero that everybody's up on the first floor btw... I think you're forgetting that the subtypes on the heroes are actually irrelevant.only matter when there subs.. I'm not saying Pandora isn't the best clearly she is ..because dark is the best attribute in the game.. hands down then will be fire light and water.. but I hate your use of the word synergy.. I guarantee you my yamoto team will annihilate as many dungeons as your pandora maybe even more so.... I love all of the heroes they all are insane if you have the right teams the subtypes are irrelevant all that matters is and if you knew anything pluses... and honestly you only really need six rows sure you can pack in more there (I'm not saying the more the better but it never hurts) but it's not needed necessarily once the team is actually done..really your choice of words should have not been (no synergy) it should be lack of versatility whit its subtype which I will agree it is annoying that there isn't a red dragon pump .. but that doesn't stop rgy does it?and you're not going to use all dragon orb changers lol are you crazy who cares about that come on man urd to good!! so at the end of my statement I believe you should reword use of the word synergy.. I agree with you on your statement of the other heroes this is true.. but the sub typing for your Yamato never really mattered.. it just gives you less options as a leader vs Pandora but it's actually a blessing for a lot of Dragon team.. but obviously dark is the best color but don't forget and you can argue if you want.. but red is second best for a reason.. you can ask anyone yamato is a second best hero.. Pandora top dog and Andromeda and Yamato fight for that second but you can put more damage out without even trying simply because of reds power creep they have such high attack.. just dont be disrespecting my boy motto like that bro!!!
Last edited by jigun 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 )
??@PF in reply to hamelin 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I'm hoping that you aren't serious. If you are, do you even play hero teams? It's all about ORB CHANGERS, not enhances, ORB CHANGERS. The Pandora team you suggested is terrible, you can orb change around 42% of the time lmao.

I'll do some damage calculations real quick. Assume the team Pandora/Dmeta/Haku/Hanzo/DValk. That's 10 rows and 1 orb enhance. Also assume that the leaders +297 and Haku + Hanzo produces a 20 dark orb 10 water orb board, matched like this:

There's a 6 group of dark, a 3 group, and an 11 group, so the damage from the orbs + orb enhance is: (1.75*1.36+1.18*1+3*1.66) which is 8.54x. Add in the combo multiplier, 2.25x, and the orb enhance multiplier, 1.05x, to get 20.17x. You made 2 rows with 10 row enhances, which is (1+1.0*2) = 3x, so multiple the 20.17x by 3x making 60.5x. Now apply the leader skill to get 968x for every sub on the team. The team, shown here:
has 11,434 base attack so take that 968x and multiply it by the teams base attack.
That's over 11 MILLION DAMAGE. Is there anything that needs 11 million damage in the game? No, the highest HP monsters are Zera, Gran Sonia, and Zaerog with 9.4 million, 9.3 million, and 9 million respectively.

Here are the JP players who use Pandora, go find one that has a team that even remotely looks like the one you described

By the way, Andromeda is now "better" than Pandora now, better as in being able to do more dungeons (Challenge Dungeons level 10).

The optimal teams for each, hypermaxed, are Pandora/Persephone/DValk/Hanzo/Haku and Andromeda/Karin/Hatsume/BValk/Hermes. Both of them feature the same 8 rows, but Pandora has 1 more skill boost than Andromeda. Pandora also has higher base attack, but Andromeda has higher HP and RCV, which is more important in the end since Pandora is too fragile. Andromeda also has an easy 100% skill bind resist, which is important in C10 against Hera Is, who preemptively skill binds.

Jams@PF in reply to angel 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Totally agree with you. I use Pandora/ Dvalk/ Hanzo/ Haku/ Dmeta and the active of the last 3 combined dishes out 10 million damage easily. So subs that aren't orb changers feel like a complete waste of space, as hero gods is all about clearing dungeons safe and fast.
What makes pandora the best is that dark is unresisted and Haku has 1 more row than other Chinese girls.
jigun in reply to hamelin 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
would love to sit here and argue you some more but I don't have the patience to write another paragraph lol both are just as good but it doesn't matter Pandora's is God.. and that is coming from the God Emperor himself
hamelin 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Thats not an easy one to explain but since I am in a good mood, I'll help you understand why pandora is considered to be the best of the hero's.

First we have Yamato Takeru, the fire hero. He got dragon subtyping and that right now is more of a curse than a blessing. There are no dragon boosts in his colour, there is dragon shogun who is off colour, there is draggie who is off colour and has horrible stats, there is pirate zearog who is once again off colour, Sonia gran who is also off colour... well you get the point. His best sub is easily red odin and he is off type because he is an attacker. Of course you could sub in a lot of ronia's but not many people have a lot of ronia's lying around.
Team: YT, Ronia, Rodin, Rodin, Ares, YT (10 rows, 15 skill boosts)
TL;DR version: Subs lack synergy with the leader, boosting is impossible and ideal subs are rem HEAVY.

Then there is Andromeda, the water hero. She got healer type which is a blessing, all her subs come directly from the REM as there are no farmable subs for her. Her boost comes from sun quan who is on-type, on-colour and boosts for 2 turns with delay. This puts her way ahead of the others. Her best sub would be blue odin, but that means we are lacking the type-synergy so thats the only reason I can think off why she is slightly less wanted than pandora because pandora does have perfect synergy with all of her subs.
Team: Andro, Azure valk, Sun quan, Hatsume, I&I, Andro (10 rows, 6 skill boosts but 100% healers used for perfect synergy, sub in blodin for more rows and skill boosts)
TL;DR version: Andromeda rocks but team is REM heavy

Perseus... what can I say... Balanced still isn't viable and needs a lot of love to even be considered viable. While making teams, it was hard to break 8 rows and this already puts him behind on the other leaders. Gungho, fix balanced cards already!
TL;DR version: Balance cards need a lot of love to be viable again.

Sun wukong got physical and this could produce some interesting teams, and just like all others they are rem HEAVY. Wukong is pretty strong right now but they lack type synergy because there are so few light physicals.
Team: Wukong, Thor, Apocalypse, Fuma, awoken venus, Wukong (11 rows, 8 skill boost, you can replace venus with a heart breaker for bigger bursts but risk getting orb clusterf*ck, by bringing a heart breaker you lose 3 rows...)
TL;DR version: REM HEAVY but no type synergy

Pandora is simply the best of all of these because of her perfect synergy with her subs, I'll let the numbers do the talking.
Pandora, Lu bu, Ronia, D/F Luci, Haku, Pandora (10 rows, 10 skill boosts)
perfect synergy between subs, possibility for a 2.5x boost and enhanced dark orbs. Pandora can burst so much higher and more consistantly than the others and I guess that is what makes her more wanted than the others.
TL;DR version: Just pull a pandora already!

TL;DR any of your TL;DR versions because they were too long to read: YT has no synergy with his subs, andromeda lacks orb enhance, perseus is a joke, sun wukong lack all synergy with his team and pandora is perfect if you love setting money on fire.
hamelin in reply to jigun 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Challenge accepted.

Yamato does not come right after pandora for good reason and that is because andromeda is so much stronger. I am not going to base anything on thin air, I'll show you numbers to prove why andromeda beats yamato.

Yamato Takeru fire row team Vs. Andromeda healer water row team
None of the monsters are +297, because lets face it, not everyone has 5+ 297 monsters.
Yamato Takeru, Red Odin, F/L Leilan, F/F Chiyome, F/F Freyr, Yamato Takeru
9 fire rows, 12 skill boosts (so entire team is up on round 1)
Maximum boost: 1.5x from freyr active + Leilan + chiyome board change (24 fire orbs are ideal with 6 wood orbs matched in such a way that a group of 15 and 9 fire orbs are seperated by 6 wood orbs split into two combo's of three orbs resulting in 4 combo's total)
Team Stats: ATK 9,948, HP 19,453!, Recovery: 2102
Rough estimate of damage when matching 3 fire rows:
4x4x1.5 = 24x (Leader skill + freyr active)
4x1.9x1.75 = 13.3x (15 connected red orbs, in a row with 4 combo's made)
2.5x1.9x1.75 = 8.3125x (9 connected red orbs, in a row with 4 combo's made)
(319.2 + 199.5) x 9948 = 1,984,945
(there are more factors to consider but this is a simplified version, the same treatment goes for andromeda)

Andromeda, B/G Sun Quan, Ult Blue Valk, B/L I&I, B/B Hatsume
10 water rows, 6 skill boosts and a very welcome 1.5 extra seconds to match.
Maximum boost: 2x from sun quan + Andromeda + Valk + Hatsume (leaves on wood orbs, for fairness we take the same board as yamato, 24 water orbs and 6 wood orbs which leads to 4 combo's. 15 water orbs, 9 water orbs, 3 wood orbs and 3 wood orbs)
Team Stats: ATK 8,053, HP 16,107, Recovery 3,819!
4x4x2 = 32x (leader skill + sun quan active, which comes with a 2 turn delay!)
4x2x1.75 = 14x (same conditions as yamato)
2.5x2x1.75 = 8.75x (same conditions as yamato)
(448 + 280) x 8,053 = 2,255,288

The difference on a burst turn is 13.6% more damage for Andromeda and with this comes that andromeda gets an extra two turns to match and do damage because of sun quans delay. Yamato is outclassed by this healer team, I rest my case that my definition of 'synergy' still stands firmly.

To prevent future argument such as: Yamato has way more HP!
Andromeda has one key sub that I have intentionally left out and that is Blodin. This beefy stat stick comes with 3 rows, 3 skill boosts and 4.5k base hp. He can single handedly compensate for any of this teams short comings.
By Buttmunchr 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
When is this gonna be in english server
By Dark Cloud 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
She's hiding my heart under that hat of hers.
By Walrus 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
She didn't get the horns but did get less clothes as predicted. Plus now I can sub the heck out of her in my devil teams!!

RIP Pierdra.
By Srn 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
What's that tatoo on her thigh? A chibidra???
By SoulWiz 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
More evil looking... gets devil type... "rebelled' by opening the box... gets 'the purple/black Gem accessory...' reminds me of certain someone lol

Ironically used more as sub for new CD collab Juggler LOOL
By (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻ 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I like how they made her look like she was coming out of the box. She is the definition of all our hopes coming true.
Skyknight 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Not for people who'd prefer to use something besides devil teams...
By Ether 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
So, uh, with dual Panda Leads and my two ronias, and my two archdemon lucifers, fully awoken, This team would have TEN dark row enhance, 12 skill boosts, 40% resist skill lock (woo), and TWO extra seconds of movement time.

Holy *&%^.


I am debating using a King baddie instead of one of the lucifers but...but ten rows....

Xanxas 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Want 10 dark row? Just use a basic Pandora build.


10 rows
10 Skill boost

2 double orb changers
2 fast orb changers
1 full broad
and 1 enhancer
Last edited by Xanxas 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 )
Flaycrow 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Trade the second lucifer for a faster orb changer. Use Vampire Duke, Hanzo, even CDK. You will be able to do more consistent damage.
By yoxiyo 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Pandora D evil. D(the) evil pandora is D-evil
By Joseph 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
just waiting for jugglers ;)
By Terra 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I can't believe that after all this, her cost is 35.
By Mythrill 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Hi guys,, There she is . Having been my starter roll to my 2nd campaign,Pandora was my lead for over 200 days now. All throughout she led my very low key team of, Hanzo,Vamp,Hadar and CDK. My personal frustrations about her were as these :
1) Lack of a sub-element which meant 2 less nicks at those high defence dubs'n'such where I had to take them down without any use of my orb changers . So subtype very good.
2) Sub-type did not matter , yet devil could have been a bonus. That is good.
3) Not having my orb changers ready at round one without changing the chemistry of my team made me despise Friday dungeon. She needed a second skill boost. Granted.Excellent.
4)Facing a string of bosses was tough , I could pretty much take down any of them by using 2-3 active skills, when I had to restrict my team to us one only ,there simply was not enough time to bring 8 dark orbs together,make a row and make more combos by using only one orb changer. Time Extension is OP :)

Now she looks like she can burst even higher by losing an orb changer, I do not know whether that is a blessing or a curse. Being a hero she lacks survivability, so she needs to take them down boss by boss.Not so easy when 2 hits in a row is too much to handle. My only wish that is not attended after this evo is "4x attack when 8 dark orbs are connected and dark attribute HP increases a little " as her leader skill .
I did not like the idea of having a dark team, I played chaotic good D'nD characters after all. Pandora changed that .Good luck all.
By cerberusdg 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
We have waited for you to arrive, mistress, long sleeping in that black, small box of yours.....AWAKEN!!!
Huh. receives some pretty beast new awakenings...
By Freddy 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
It's unfortunate that I have all the best Pandora subs but not her. Which is funny because since now that I actually want her, I will probably roll another/4th Ronia (not that it's a bad thing, I've been very lucky getting her)
By ~ユキカゼ 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
is her hair being sucked into the box =/
By m 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I am stoked about this card and can't wait to get it!!! She makes an incredible leader and sub for sooooooo many teams. Is it me, or does it feel like Christmas with all of these ult evo's and new dungeons coming our way? :-D
By Kit 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
When does this come out in the states? I just evolved my Pandora today and still need one more Devlit but so excited to ult. evo her!
By db 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Just pulled base form, when do we get this? Already have a box full of devils.
meido-01 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
my guesstimate is in 30-60 days roughly, if lucky.
By yoxiyo 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Pandora, why do you cry? You are making me cry inside
By Seika 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Bleak Night Goddess of the Devil's Cry, Pandora

I'd say that's an appropriate name, considering her artwork, typing, stats and leaderskill... And having taken her into dungeons, she's certainly earned her new name.. It's kind of scary how curbstomp-y the hero playstyle is....well, as long as you have max-skilled orbchangers or points you can stall at to store orbs, anyway. :P
By evan 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I have a Pandora. I also have horrible luck with pal egg machine. I have not gotten a single devilit and I am rank 127! So two will be impossible
meido-01 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
edit: i totally misread your comment and thought it was 227! ahh~ but i was able to clear the dungeon by that rank (rank 120 or earlier, i can check if you really wanna know because i will have the SS of my first clear timestamped somewhere)...

so anyway, if you dont IAP: save stones, and farm descends/techs/hard normals for a Friday team and find some hypermax friends compatible with the strategy.

i'll leave my original text but sorry for the snafu.

if you are rank 227 and cannot clear the friday 50 stam dungeon - this is a sucky thing to say but at that point your rank means nothing since you have enough cost to clear it even as a non-IAP'er and you don't need to be godmode either, if you are bad at making combos or rows run a 3x 3x team with the 3x friend being maxed/hypermaxed.

whether you do/dont IAP, if you cant clear friday dungeon when you have that much cost for monsters on your team available (more than me, and i farm it, im rank ~181 as of writing this) you need to go back and review your whole team and understanding of the game and stuff, a lot of people make slightly alternate teams for the weeklies (thats why sub team monsters are called subs - it's also short for "substitute" as well as meaning "lesser than the leader" or something along those lines...)

for learning to clear friday 50sta for angelit/devilits, i found watching vids of other people doing it with similar teams to be rly helpful, as well as team suggestions on this website.

and if you want a tale of bad luck, i was able to make an ulti-evolved Hera-UR from 3 red jewels before i ever even got a single purple jewel for my Ronia uevo. literally took about 2 months of 1-2 hr daily casual play in descends whenever jewel was up until i found a haku...who i killed with my haku. haha.

unfortunately luck is just statistics and gameplay is often just memorizing the mechanics and practicing them and then possibly a little REAL luck comes from skyfall jesus.... so good luck ~ hope you get your pandora ulti!
Last edited by meido-01 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 )
Bob in reply to meido-01 4 years ago ( 7.8.1 ) 
Your rank doesn't really matter, its about getting the right subs. You can't clear mythical with trash subs unless you have a Juggler or something. For non-IAP players, you really have to be lucky with the REM machine with your free stones.
By pandora nd 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
can anyone tell, the evo is available in 7.3.0 or not?
gotdemoted 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
it is now bud
By Phoenix 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I've been meaning to ask since I am considering using one of my heroes, if you have 12 orbs of your color, is it better to make two rows so you can get the modifiers twice with x3 or is it better to get x4 and another combo? I know it would be dependent on the number of awakenings, but what is the threshold number of rows for effectiveness?
TheATeam 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
With 10 row enhances, 2 rows at 9x gives a multiplier of 9 * (1 + 2 * 10) = 27x damage. 1 row at 16x gives 16 * 2 32x. It isn't equal until 35 row enhances! We may eventually get there with power creep, but for now you should always go for the 16x.
By evan 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
*cries because has horrible luck with pal egg and can't do sky prison* now I'm the wailing one.
By Dean 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Logged on today, took a shot at the PEM and BOOM got the last devilit i needed. Now I have this wonderful Uvo and once I rank up a bit my team will be:

Wailing Bleak Night Goddess, Pandora
Dark Valk
Dmeta Uvo
D/D Haku

pretty much the perfect pandora team, muahahahaha
Cornykova 3 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
You should switch Pandora with DValk or DMeta, since they offer a higher multiplier. DMeta also increases HP, so that's even better.
By typro 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Okay so I just got pandora but dont know what team to make. I have a Gronia, DDhaku, Persephone, Loki, Vampire, and Yomi. I can save stones for Hanzo as he seems important for pandora.
Xanxas 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 

this team will be good with 7 rows and 7 SB your vamp and CDK will be up on turn 1.
You can change CDK or vamp for perse but she has a higher CD so it up to you
Use gronia + pan for you final boss burst
By kahis 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
I'm happy and all that Pandora got a ulti but less and less people are using her as a leader now that it has that devil typing. i Used to never run out of Pandora friends but now i'm lucky if i can get 10 dungeons done and still have friend left over.
Last edited by kahis 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 )
By Legend7Nat 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Just wanted some feedback
Who do you think is better in terms of: easier leaderskill activation, synergy, Sub pool, more safer, and finally row enhances or spike

Ult. Pandora vs. Ult. Ronia
feel free to comment whatever you feel about this whether its negative or positive Just know I will also do this on the other monster page so there won't be any biased feelings can't avoid that anyways 60115

Roland 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
I think Ronia Ult is better as a lead. She offers guaranteed damage boost as opposed to situational damage boost. Makes it harder for her to get orb trolled, especially if you are using a mix of fire and dark. This also allows for a little more flexibility in regards to sub skills, as you really want at least a few orb changers with Pandora to ensure you are constantly able to utilize her lead skill. With a duel Ronia lead, you probably only need one more orb changer. Also the fact that she allows for both fire and dark row enhance makes it easier to mix and match, as there are a lot of really good devils that are fire/dark combos. Not to mention, you also have that recovery boost with Ronia that Pandora doesn't have. I've found that Ult Ronia with a Ult Beelzebub is very close to an end game team. Not quite end game, but very close. Ult Beelzebub doubles your HP and also gives you the 2.5 attack. So a base attack of x5 along with 2.5 recovery and 2x HP. This gives you a high damage team that can utilize either/both TPAs and/or Row Enhance (depending on subs), starts you with something near or over 30000 HP with solid recovery. I've found that if you're willing to flex out 1 or 2 subs to meet individual dungeon requirements you can beat most dungeons with this build.

Tl;dr: Ronia is a better lead.
By Legend7Nat 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
I would appreciate it if you Pandora experts can help me out to set up a team with Pandora
These are my noticeable Devils:
Christmas Hera
chibi lubu
Ult. Persephone
Ult. Ronia (that I just got today:D)
Original Hera base form
Chibi Haku
Grape Dragon
Devi bear lol
and Sasuke sadly no Hanzo :(.....
CDD Ripper
CDKV Light Orb Change
All High Ninjas and Demons
Drawn Joker
And definetely the best staple (jk :P) Wicked Ladies for all you Stan lovers she isn't skill up fodder just yet anyways

I know the typical strategy is to focus on Row enhances but I'm non-iap f2p so any farmable devils out there you guys recommend that I can tackle at with my rank and monsters. I currently use Urd until I beef up my devil team
Dean 4 years ago ( 7.8.1 ) 
You don't really need devils. Just rows and orb changers. Persophone gets a new ult soon that has 2 dark rows. Vampire is easily skilled up. He doesn't have a row but a 5 turn heart breaker goes well with pandora. Grape dragon gives rows. You could use Ronia too as well as CDKV. It's not optimal but it could work decently.
Legend7Nat in reply to Dean 4 years ago ( 8.0.1 ) 
Thanks for the feedback. Yeah no devil is needed unless I'm running a devil friend like Livy or have him as a spike in my team. The monsters you mentioned I have all of them. But none are max skilled so I should probably start working on it.
By sungyulkim 4 years ago ( 7.8.1 ) 
Sorry but I have a question:
Let's say if I have only one Pandora leader, no friend leader, and if I clear two rows(6 connected orbs per row) of dark orbs, pandora still gets 3x attack? or probably 6x because it's two of 6 connected orbs cleared?
Thanks in advance!
Last edited by sungyulkim 4 years ago ( 7.8.1 )
Salsiga 4 years ago ( 7.8.1 ) 
x3 attack for the whole team from Pandora (not x6)
By DragonMama 4 years ago ( 8.0.4 ) 
Where is the artwork for the *New* "Ultimate *Ulimate* Evo" (would that be Pan-ultimate?!? Ba-dum-bump? Cha!) Pandora?!? Just saw her this morning on one of my friends' leader teams. Must have her!!! She is beautiful!!

Must have her!! D'oh. Said that already... XD.
Last edited by DragonMama 4 years ago ( 8.0.4 )
By Eleya 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
o.o Do I spy a soul gem?
By milkyway 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
I preferred her blue eyes and red hair. I wish she could have kept them.
Junpei 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
but she opened the box
By Shazzy@/r 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
I predict that the hero gods are the next series to get awoken evos or triple typing evos
By sam 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Quick Question:

I have many better and more viable leaders (listed below) and my question is:
Is Pandora a good sub to ANY monster other than herself?

Destro 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
She is a good sub for dark row teams such as Ronia.
Jolo 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Like the previous person said, she's good for Dark row teams. Ronia is more outdated, but other ones would be DMeta, Typhon, maybe Yomi Dragon if you don't have Akechi.

EDIT: The new Awoken Lucifer would be a good lead for Pandora as well.
Last edited by Jolo 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 )
By Joseph 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
I have always ran a Beez/Ronia team. It's fun and all but I've come to realize its not a good endgame team. I've read all these comments and watched a few videos and it seems Pandora is a very capable endgame team so I've decided to make one. I have a question however. So far my team is:

Ult Pandora max skill
Ult Ronia max sill
Ult Hanzo max skill
Ult Pandora skill lvl 5
Here is the question, I have a max skill B/D Vamp and a lvl 3 skill ult Vritra. Is the orb change active (Vamp) better than the 2 row enhance (Vritra)? Or should I just look for a better 4th sub?

(Currently rank 203 and stuck on Paradise of the holy beasts...)
Thank you!
Jolo 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Try to get subs to replace Ronia and Vamp. D/D Haku, D/G Persephone, and Akechi are some that come to mind. Dark Valk if you want a Heartbreaker with rows and TPA or even the Halloween Vampire if you got him.
By Guest 4 years ago ( 8.4.1 ) 
Yandere mode.
By mirkwood23 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
So not available in NA? Is there any ETA for that? Or could it simply be never exposed to NA?
By nturtle 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
What's a good team to make use of her LS? I am having trouble consistently having the needed amount of dark orbs to pop. Feels like I get orb trolled forever before I have at least 6 on screen.
mccool37 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
A decent amount of skill boosts combined with low cooldown orb changers. Hanzo, Vampire, Chaos Dragon Knight and Dark Valkyrie for example.

Also dark row based awakenings will be good so you can make a strong enough single attack to kill when you need to.
Last edited by mccool37 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 )
By _(:3 J<)_ 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Seems like every single good dark/fire card got a devil subtype.
Not that I'm complaining,more options for my Ronia team.
By Grantastic 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Dat RCV for a devil tho
nagato 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Yes that is deadly I cant wait till this
Last edited by nagato 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 )
By Dean 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I want this, I want it now...
By Prospero 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Well I guess it's time to jump in the panda bus...I've been intentionally avoiding this team because of its pure superiority. ..but now I just can't resist. Pandora, hanzo, haku , persephone, the direction I'm going. Think pure devil will out shine traditional Pandora team? I like the added power of devil subtypes , just unsure what the most ideal team would be now with the sub pool that just seems limitless.
Last edited by Prospero 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 )
Jams@PF 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Pandora/ Hanzo/ DValk/ Haku/ Dmeta. Lubu has way worse stats (HP and RCV) and active skill than Dmeta. Haku + hanzo + Dmeta easily reaches 10 million damage, so 2.5 devil boost seems a bit overkill
Last edited by Jams@PF 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 )
By WorldSend 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I got Pandora about six months ago. Never once since then has the Metal Dragon Dungeon shown up when I could access it. Convenient.
Last edited by WorldSend 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 )
By Haykon45 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I have 2 pandora a right now is it worth building them both up or should I feed one for a skill up chance?
maerrong 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
please tell me youre trolling...
Cookiee in reply to maerrong 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Sadly that is what I did when I was new to the game.

I rolled 2x Pandoras which I thought were awful at the time.

So after I raged not getting what I wanted, I fed one to the other.

................That was a mistake :(

No skill up was found that day.
Last edited by Cookiee 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 )
By OmastarBC 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Double Pandora and King Baddie are all you need. The game is over. No other teams matter now. They finally broke the game beyond repair. Goodnight.
Skyknight 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
How come no one claimed this about Andromeda's ultimate? The subordinates usually associated with Pandora are apparently Hattori, Byakko, Valkyrie Claire, and Fallen Lucifer. Yet you can get roughly the same effect for Andromeda with (respectively) Hatsume, Seiryuu, Valkyrie Rain, and water/wood Lakshmi, with the sole exception of Lakshmi's skill having a longer cooldown than Lucifer's. (Yes, I'm aware that Seiryuu can't be a healer. But given that Claire isn't a devil...) And I'm not sure how germane that is in the end, if your stall skills are anything to speak of.

Is it just that Andromeda doesn't have as much base attack as Pandora?

EDIT: Right, forgot about King Baddie. Still, King Shynee, Sandalphon, and Sun Quan are all comparable for amount of bonus damage (remember to add the bonus damage from BOTH turns that Sandalphon and Sun Quan's active have effect!), and all healers to match Andromeda. So the point yet remains, even if Sun Quan is the only one of the lot that's primarily water-aligned.
Last edited by Skyknight 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 )
nathan@N17 in reply to Skyknight 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Well idk why you use baddie (well if you're not fortunate enough to have lubu).. but panda will do more because 1. She's dark so no restrictions (obviously if they use a dark absorb but that's different). If you fight a wood monster with Andromeda you're getting cut in half. 2. Idk about that being the ideal panda team but just using your examples it has more rows and higher attacks. It's 8 rows to 6, i believe i counted them right. I mean don't get me wrong i want all of the heros, i only have purse monkey man and pandy though....but pandy is definitely superior because of her sub pool
nathan@N17 in reply to Skyknight 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Well idk why you would run panda/ronia leads so ignore that one. But yes UY has tpa...but then again you're not just trying to match water orbs. With panda all you care about is dark so it's more concentrated. And having that much damage easily achievable definitely does better than ones needing four different colors. Yeah sure you can calculate all the numbers and UY may do more damage than panda by themselves, but a panda team will do more than a UY team combined. And that's just using one board of orbs and not counting skyfalls
Flaycrow in reply to Skyknight 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Pandora outpaces everything for the reasons stated already: mono black has no weakness, and because of ease of activation. But it's more than that. It has to do with the mechanics of the game relating to enhanced orbs and large numbers of orbs in a single combo. Mono color is by far the highest damage team in the game. Black is the highest damage mono color because of the subs and high attack of devils. And they just improved the best mono black lead.

Requiring only dark orbs to activate means that the damage can be increased incredibly for every sub simply by changing and enhancing more orbs and combing the orbs into one big connected and enhanced block.

The best scenario for damage from a single board is 4-5 combos on the board (plus possible skyfall of one to three more) using 6 non-dark orbs for the extra combos, and putting 18-21 enhanced dark orbs together. This pre-uevo setup gives me a minimum 600 total multiplier (orb count, enhanced orbs, combos, row awakenings, and leader skills) to my entire team, letting me one shot any boss in the entire game without Lu Bu or baddie. With her becoming a devil and getting more row enhances, and putting in Lu Bu as a sub, I could get a 4000 to 5000 multiplier to all my team's damage. My Beelzebub could hit for 9 to 10,000,000 by himself." width="180" height="320" frameborder="0" scrolling="no"
This screenshot is without any multiplier from Baddie or Lu Bu. It is without the new row enhances she is getting. It could easily get 4 times higher with the new Panda becoming a devil, and as a team, I could put out 30,000,0000+ as a team in a single turn.

It seems to me, some people chase high leader multipliers (juggler, Ra, Kali) but don't properly appreciate how even with a leader multiplier of x16, this new Pandora will be the absolute highest consistent total team damage output in the game, floor after floor, with the option to spike higher than any other team in the game, and can be filled with great non-IAP subs.
Last edited by Flaycrow 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 )
Skyknight in reply to nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
...Do keep in mind I was responding specifically to what OmastarBC was saying, about just needing dual Pandora and King Baddie (my point being why it was being said NOW, and not with the previous three hero ultimates). Although I have Pandora, I don't use her (my two main leaders are Eternal Idunn and Lu Bu, preferably the former; Andromeda was just the quickest for me to work with, since I personally focus on healers), so I looked up what was being said on a particular post on her evolution's page. I don't actually have Byakko (or any of the other Holy Beasts, for that matter), so I didn't have direct experience to work with.

That said, I can see how dual heroes of the same identity can get ugly fast--eight connected orbs involving a full row, both heroes fully awakened, and King Baddie (for example) activated, translates to an effective multiplier of 67.2, and that's before taking into account any row awakenings the subordinates might have. Not much more of a slouch when Lu Bu's around as a subordinate--base multiplier 40, effective multiplier 60 before factoring in the other subordinates. But it arguably still runs in tandem with other sky-high multiplier teams. Umisachi and Yamasachi, for example, typically have subordinates with plenty of two-prongs, so the effective multiplier is much higher than 25 (or 50 if Sun Quan is being used), just as the effective multiplier for dual heroes is much higher than 16. So I'm not convinced dual Pandora or Pandora/Lu Bu or Pandora/Red Sonia are going to outpace everyone else that quickly, except MAYBE in the department of ease of activation. (There's a reason War Tsukuyomi, and maybe Cosmos Venus, are popular for Yamasachi teams, for example.)
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Skyknight in reply to Flaycrow 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
So the question is, what can GungHo do to fix the equilibrium? (Were light and dark even MEANT to be strictly superior to the other three attributes?) At the very least, I'm seeing a few descents with bosses that have a special trait that halves dark damage, much like Happo halves wood damage, in the near future. But I wonder if the best thing to do would be to cut the multipliers for the heroes a bit, say from 3-4 to 2.5-3.5. If what you say is true, then even with "just" a basal multiplier of 12.25, dual Pandora will still do respectable damage. Just not to a degree that everything else is left far in the dust.

(I just hope this wouldn't draw the fanbase's ire...But I don't think going after Kerberos, Fallen Lucifer, and Hadar is going to do anything.)

I'll admit that my choice of what kind of team to build first requires it to be able to contain an active skill that really draws my interest. And...that's not the case with devils. Basically, it needs to be miscible with either Sun Quan (water healer), Cao Cao (fire attacker), or Zhang Fei (wood physical/attacker)--delays with an added effect of note. I just don't fancy any of these paradigms being outpaced by nothing more than sheer damage.

Well, that, and I'm remembering people's complaints about new friends offered by the application being 70% (I think) Lu Bu and Red Sonia. I doubt a scenario where it's 70% Lu Bu, Red Sonia, and Pandora is going to be much more acceptable to the fanbase.
Hero in reply to Skyknight 4 years ago ( 7.5 ) 
All the sub-type means is that you can have a more farmable and effective Hero series team. Instead of stacking heavy rows and orb changers from the REM as normal, you now have the choice of having orb changers that lack rows and a King Slime to add to your damage. Your Pandora will have an extra row to balance the loss of REM heavy subs, but ultimately you'll be hitting more damage with a farmable team. I doubt anyone already running with REM-heavy Pandora subs will find replacing one of these subs with king baddie a significant advantage. Lu Bu may be significant, if not replacing an orb enhancer (DLuci or DMeta) as a full board of dark orbs is still 2.8x damage.
milkyway in reply to Skyknight 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
Dark and light have the advantage to the other colors in a rainbow dungeon since they have no handicap but also double the attack on opposite color dark or light monster. However, in dungeons that are mono fire, water, or wood, dark and light are not better. In those dungeons the one that increases the attack power of that color is best such as fire doubling its attack when attacking wood monster. This also goes for boss since attack power matter the most in that part of the dungeon since they have the highest hp.


rainbow dungeons: dark/light best
mono or boss being non dark/light: color that has the advantage is best - fire beats wood, wood beats water, water beats fire.

Neither dark nor light beat fire, water, or wood.

No color is blanket better than any other. It depends on the dungeon being battled.
By gotdemoted 4 years ago ( 7.5 ) 
its here muaahahahah
By Greg! 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Wow, 5 people voted 10/10 for everything! I wonder who the streak-breaking asshôle is gonna be...
milkyway in reply to Skyknight 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
That was me. I thought her first art work with the red hair and blue eyes was prettier so I gave her a 9 on art. Also, I gave her an 8 on skill since changing 2 colors to dark would have made it so you don't need a heal to dark as well as her skill for high hp monsters. So, I think it has room for improvement. I also think she does not need tons of healing power since she has such low hp..she is actually a monster you want to use to kill monsters before you take a hit rather than slowly drilling down monsters and therefore needing to heal over and over, or risk taking hits that are too big. Although of course it may be useful in certain situations.
Skyknight 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
She was at 9.8 when I voted. No, I didn't give her all 10s; the skills just aren't the sort that really appeal to me (for actives, look along the lines of Sun Quan; for leader skills, the Four Holy Beasts). No matter what the milieu (i.e. not just this game), power by itself isn't enough to attract my attention.
nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I gave her a 50 and I'm proud to say it
By nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
"You don't know what you've done......but you will"
By Buttmunchr 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
I just came
By Trolololol 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Success! Bullsh!t troll votes have been gathered on everything I post! No need to care about what I say, just downvote away!
Why am I even complaining? It won't stop the no-life trolls. Nothing will. All we need to know is that if there doesn't seem to be anything dumb or offensive about a comment, the downvotes are most likely bullsh!t.
By Trolololol 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Offensively powerful, yet subtly sexy! A match made in heaven! With 2 row-enhancers, extended time, sexy legs, and just a cute appearance overall, this is new hope for the future ultimates of PAD!
mccool37 in reply to Trolololol 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Someone seems to be downvoting with multiple accounts for no real reason.
Kaz 4 years ago ( 8.1.1 ) 
And I just up voted you just to spite the haters.
Trolololol 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Seriously, I thought that people would at least know that I am not trolling in spite of my username. This is positive feedback getting anonymous negativity with no real reason. It almost seems like someone is intentionally staling my posts to downvote them. If so, congrats. You've just wasted your time on things that don't matter. At least give me a reason on your hatred against everything that I say! (Or continue wasting your time downvoting stuff like this. Doesn't really matter anyway.)
Trolololol in reply to mccool37 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
You're absolutely right. Unless if people find my positive feedback on ultimate Pandora offensive or anything, I don't see why there is any real reason to go all out on a post like that. Unfortunately, there is nothing that can be done...the least we can do is to try and undo the damage from these trolls and blind haters...
By Archangel 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
So now that this is on the NA. Will any NA folks be willing to add me to their freidns list. I need some Pandora Partners.

bunker931 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Please do it in friend finder
Greg! 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
The downvotes in this post are not from the bot
By nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
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ChaosS in reply to Prospero 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
D'awwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww, how cute you found your soul mate. This isn't
nathan@N17 in reply to ChaosS 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
But...yes it is
CoffeeHo in reply to Prospero 4 years ago ( 7.5 ) 
Somehow, I don't think that "guy" would consider you to be very meek.
Trolololol 4 years ago ( 7.5.1 ) 
Supporting what Prospero said, anonymous and unintelligent people do get butthurt over truthful comments. You know what they say: the truth hurts. Now just move on with your life, okay?
Prospero in reply to nathan@N17 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Yeah, I see I'm getting the down votes. Lol. It's not like what I said isn't true. Funny though. Up down, don't matter to me. I know who my friends are here, the down votes really just reflect exactly the point I was making. If you dislike something , then at least have the jam to back it up with a response. Any monkey can click an icon.
Prospero in reply to ChaosS 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
Haha....u r a funny guy. Guess your on the far right of things. And to call yourself chaos. So fitting indeed.
Prospero 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
It's cause you make sense....and that hurts unintelligent people's feelings by making them look inferior. When you rationalize and put things into logical methodic perspective it takes their creative (uselesss) ideas and stamps them out. And because there is a plethora of unintelligent people in contrast to those who are,it results in the many down votes. Remember when some guy wrote "the meek shall inherit he earth" well its starts right here on pad.
nathan@N17 in reply to Prospero 4 years ago ( 7.3.0 ) 
That needs to be on the info of the game upon downloading it lol
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