Awoken Hino Kagutsuchi

Forgive me if I'm overlooking something. If you match three sets of four on a Krishna team that's:
3.375x for the three TPA awakenings, times three activations makes 10.125, times the Krishna activation which is 20.25... without any other enhancements so long as you can get 12 red orbs on the board Kagu is putting out damage at a 205x multiplier. I'd say that's more than worth the attack downgrade compared to his previous evo.

The only "precedent" is that we're always behind on balance / adjustment patches.

Almost 100%.
You got everything perfect until the additional combos.
The multiplier for combos is added, not multiplied, so instead of multiplying the whole thing by 1.25, you should've just changed the 1.5 in the original equation to 1.75.
You still get 699669, which is pretty great.
And, of course, we can attack a green monster with it to double it to 1,399,338.

My Krishna is very pleased we got the awoken in NA! That active armor break and dual orb changer at 8 min CD is amazing, and the X15 leader skill is very useful to speed farm plus eggs. People won't make fun of Hino any more. I Love it!

Update: Got the 3 TPA's! Hino FTW!

Assuming max level no + ATK here is the calculations:

(Base * Orbs * TPA) * 3 sets * Combos * Leader skill * Leader skill

(1560 * 1.25 * 1.5^3) * 3 * 1.5 * 4.5 * 4.5

(6581) * 3 * 1.5 * 20.25

19743 * 1.5 * 20.25

29614 * 20.25

599683 damage for JUST the 3 sets of fire orbs.

Each additional combo would be another +0.25x attack for the combos, so even just one more combo would boost the damage a ton!

Oh duh ya I realized that.
Thanks!

Would be decent for my bearded deity guan you team

Finally finished the hypermax on him. Super excited to burst through some bosses.

Liu Bei tops it xD
http://mobile.gungho.jp/news/pad/141226_sinka.html

The leader skill isn't a fire attack, it is a neutral attack and happens after your attack but doesn't affect it, so it is added on.

In JP he already had 2 TPAs, whereas in NA he only had 1. There is a precedent for other cards in that situation, where new awakenings are added, they are tacked on to each version's base awakenings. In that case, in NA this card would only have 2 TPAs. So sad.

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you mean this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSmnQmjBsjE
This card does like 151m damage only on one card.

aw yis porter robinson remix

154,746,896 damage to be exact.

can't imagine it on a dual awoken anubis team XD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=alhWTNUTYlQ No need to imagine, it does 548m damage.

Or take the safe grindy route:
UAE Kagutsuchi (At least 28 +ATK eggs and max level required) (1 skill boost)
3-skill boost monster (Tengu, Bodin, Rodin)
3-skill boost monster (Tengu, Bodin, Rodin)
2+ skill boost monster
Nebradisk (High skill level required...) (1 skill boost)
Ultimate Godin friend (2 skill boosts)

That way you can just switch to use Kagutsuchi floor 1, let his leader skill do the rest up to boss (Need to attack once so it kills the high dragons so Odin and Nebradisk work) switch to Nebradisk and you are invincible.
Much less REM dependent but slower, and better for me seeing as the only monster I am missing from that is a second tengu for the 3 skill boosts (And higher skill level on nebradisk) ^_^
Almost 100% of your damage will come from Kagutsuchi's 3 TPA and Odin's Gungnir.

But it would work eventually.


Another option to ignore the skill level on nebradisk would be to use the dark stone dragon, which reduces dark damage by half, so 10,000 damage every 3 turns. Then you would need at least 1500 extra autoheal a turn, but he comes with 1 more skill boost than nebradisk so that is a benefit.
IDK, there's a few different possibilities.
You could also probably use Tengu's leader skill (lower HP is better for that) and bringing an auto-heal friend.

This idea opened up so many possibilities for beating this dungeon, thanks :3

Just tested it, and unfortunately, his leader skill technically activates after the turn ends, so it would not work. Dark Golem/Machine Golem might work though.
I'll have to devise a better plan now.

One of those is his mom.

Don't worry about it he is just eating.... his ... mom... *pukes*

Well, giving birth to Kagutsuchi IS what killed Izanami. He was blazing on birth, you see...

I just put together a RGY team to start using and then I roll this guy in the godfest... Cannot wait to get him evoed and leveled

have you used two echidnas or hinos? the damage applied against the monster is cumulative, not separate. I've ran teams against high metals that were killed with my echidna and a hino but not my echidna alone.

try stuff out before you reply.

double post

With the ATK Tamadra their hits add up to 64650 now :)

OK, I have to ask... for real? Two Kagu LSkills add up to one hit?

I have never tried, but I used echidna way way back and I didn't notice that it was one hit, I thought it was two separates. I know it is a noob question, but I have one of these sitting in my box and am wondering if maxing him out is worth it - other than for use as a sub MAYBE on my LKali team. (Seeing as how I don't run any physical or dragon teams).

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Oh the overpower you might just say.
This. + Krishna + 3 sets of four reds + a King Flamie.= You don't even need the math cuz it can over kill anything.

Or EVEN:

Same as before + a set of 4-4-5 + new Kris uevo+ a king flamie= That would make Kagu alone probably(and I say probably) get way more damage than two D/D Anubis having 15 combos.(Of course if in the D/D Anubis team we consider only the date output from the two anubis.)

Looks purple to me....

Some guy bit it. Turned into this badass. Now protects donut... Cuz... It's his donut and he is only hino.

Gungho's solution: Change the game's name to "Puzzle and Waifus"

Same happened with me but with Lakshmi base
I noticed immediately but it was too late

Our teams are so different. Mine has high HP but low RCV.

Anyways, I do understand that the RCV multiplier is nice, but of course, that's if you already have a full +297 team. So I'm speaking in terms of normal, un-plussed eggs.

It's low, considering how low the RCV of his subs are (and Fire units in general).

• Two of your leaders, namely the Awoken Shiva's, only have 53 RCV
• Awoken Hinokagutsuchi, one of the staple subs for Awoken Shiva, only has 91 RCV
• F/W Cao Cao has a whopping 27 RCV
• Vegito, a wonderful sub that might not even reach NA, has 203 RCV, which is already considered high for FIRE ATTACKERS. Highest among Awoken Shiva subs, but NA will probably never see him

Dude add these up. Let's say you have Femme as well in your team. Let's even include Vegito to further boost the RCV up, even though we'll probably never see him.

53 + 53 + 91 + 656 + 27 + 203 = 1083. A whopping 1083 for the whole team.

1083 * 2.25 = 2436 TOTAL RCV after the boost.

If you have Femme in your team, that'll definitely boost up the RCV, but it'll only do so much. If you switch out any of those other subs, you'll be risking firepower and orb changing.


However, if you were being sarcastic, then......move along lol

Quite contrary to some opinion, I quite agree with Firecat.
Once your whole team is +297, you have 1782 x 2.25 = 4009.5 extra Rcv, which is a huge number compared to your 2000-ish Rcv.

As a dedicated player, I aim at 297-ing my whole team even though I never purchase stones and sweep through Starlight Sanctuary like crazy (breaks stone and revover stamina and repeat, until time is up).

Once the "10x Plus-Egg for Descended Dungeons" comes to EU/NA (though I don't know when, but I am serious), you will get addicted to it!!
Your cards' plus-values grow fast, and if you focus on some Descends with good egg-drops (e.g. Hera-Sowilo) in 2 week's time, you will be able to +297 at least 1 of your cards.

My current Awoken Shiva Team is like this:

Awoken Shiva
3731, 1902, 53

Red Sonia (I am fully aware that Sonia is a really BAD sub, but I don't have other choices)
3297, 1925, 165

Leilan (Fire/Light)
2935, 1807, 272

Urd
2715, 1688, 421

Valen
2290, 1508, 353

Awoken Shiva
3731, 1902, 53

Total HP = 18699
Total Rcv = 1317 x 2.25 = 2963 (15.85% of Max.HP, fair enough)

If Sonia wasn't +297 she won't be here.
After days of hard work, my Shiva and Urd is +297, and I started feeding +eggs to Valen.
Leilan has 6, 4, 5 +eggs.
Friend Shiva must be +297 else I won't accept them as friends.

Once I get my Valen to +297, I will stop until I pulled a Kagutsuchi and Cao Cao,
they will replace Sonia and Leilan.

Current Total HP = 22839
Current Total Rcv = 5798 (25.39% of Max.HP), which is good enough.

If Valen is +297 (only Leilan is left as +15),
Current Total HP = 23709
Current Total Rcv = 6338 (26.73% of Max.HP), which is good enough.
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My Dream Team, all +297
Total HP = 25722
Total Rcv = 2780 x 2.25 = 6255 (24.32% of Max.HP)

Still good to go.

Yeah, thing to remember about AShiva is that his subs have awful RCV, but once you get a lot of plus eggs onto the team that his multiplier pushes you into the territory of like 4k RCV. Its an expensive team.

Auto heal is a decent awakening, but there are a lot that would be more useful.

I understand your point.

The "all +0" situation is indeed more accurate for casual, non-aggressive players to consider.
Thus, to those casual players, Hinokagutsuchi's low RCV is an issue, as well as being an incentive to use Valkyrie-Femme instead.



*Slightly Off-Topic Starts Here*

Let us hope for "10x PLUS-EGG Drop Rate in Descended Dungeons (during events)" in the NA/EU stream.

When it becomes available, "297ing" a card will be much easier, much faster, and (I presume) even casual players are more willing to spend time and stamina (and perhaps even a small amount of stones for replenishing their Stamina) to conquer Descends over and over again.

Now in the JP stream, with a much more reliable way of farming plus-eggs, +297 becomes more like a "BASIC requirement" for recruiting friends and Best-Friends.

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Hera-Sowilo and Kanetsugu are the most famous for their Egg drop-rates, thus having decent Plus-Egg drop-rates in such an event.
The average is 4~5 per 50 stamina without 1.5x drop rate
1.5x drop-rate is effective if the Descend is a Coin Dungeon during events.

Awoken Shiva does not have RCV problems...his team generally runs 7.5k RCV or more because of his RCV leader skill.

You do realize that right? You're very much underestimating how much 2.25x RCV is.

had to go to FB to see what was updated...Hino gained 100 HP and 50 ATK. PADX doesn't have this stat update included so it looked like nothing happened to him, but he gained a weighted of 20 overall (10 from HP and 10 from ATK). so his trip prong just got even stronger :)

Never mind, I was way off.

Welp, his REvo was just announced!

No additional Awakenings, sadly :( but here's the breakdown:

• Dragon/Physical/God
• Fire/Fire
• LS: 3x ATK and 1.5 RCV when matching Fire/Dark combo. 40x ATK damage per orb match
• 5500 HP, 1960 ATK, 160 RCV
• ~996 Total Weighted Stats

Lol my guesses with his stats were pretty darn close!

But anyway, that massive 1960 ATK paired with triple dongs gives him a whopping 6615 damage for a TPA! This already surpasses Super Ultimate Vishnu! And his crazy 5500 HP is there to save Shiva and his team's lack of an HP buff.

Some people may not be too stoked for him, but I can't wait to REvo my two Kagutsuchis for Shiva! Let's see how that'll work out!

I'd say this uvo is completely worth it. While it does get an overall reduction in RCV, it gets an auto-heal awakening instead! Isn't that better? You don't need to rely on heart orbs and is a lifesaver for those No-RCV Dungeons.

Physical is a fitting type for the HP. There's not a lot of cards that are Attacker typed and have over 4000 HP. The lower attack compared to F/D uvo is compensated for the 3 double-prong awakenings. I think this is the only card to have that many. And the other new awakenings are certainly welcome.

While the leader skill isn't so great for bursting, a max leveled no +egg 1560*15=23,400 auto-attack after orbs will sweep everything that isn't a boss, king, mask, or ogre (til Ocean of Heaven/Tower of Blazing Fire). Even when he's not used as a leader, he's an incredible sub.

I never said he wasn't I was just surprised that GungHo chose to have these stats for Kagutsuchi. It just seems a little random.
I never said I dislike this uvo, I'm just surprised he didn't get a bit more RCV!
People have completely misinterpreted what I said ._.

(Also, Thanks for at least being more reasonable than the others in your comment and not trying to insult me.)

@gypsy// hey kid, have you read your own comment? It's called Hypocrisy.

How about you do us a favor and zip that garbage spewing mouth yourself?

First off, I didn't mean to sound like a jerk, that was just your interpretation.
Second off, the way you said that basically violates what you said and makes you a hypocrite.
I'm sorry if I sound like a jerk "again" but I've been having a bad day so I'm not in a good mood.

Expected upvotes?

Too bad, Kagutsuchi time

OH man I am just down voting this thread just because that's the most down votes I've seen! Now do me!

If you write anything remotely negative or critical on this site, you will be downvoted. I don't know why but I'm gussing it's because the average age of padx users is pretty low or they're all a bunch of wusses who can't take it.

I don't even care anymore. You're playing a kid's game what do you expect...

It's already been said but I'll filter the main point out for you:

TRIPLE PRONG

Hey Bud here's an idea try to express your opinion in a way that does not make you sound like a jerk!

And here's another one try to express your feelings KNOWING that others have different ones people like you who think they know everything make me sick

Never express an opinion yeah right. Never express your stupidity on the internet people do not want to read the garbage that comes out of your mouth

Yes. It was good, then it suckED, and now it's good again.

Expected Hino to suck?

Too bad, Kagutsuchi time

Attacker kagutuschi has higher base attack, but overall this uvo is by far the best.
3 TPA and 1500 attack vs 2 TPA and 2100 attack is 5062.5 damage vs 4725 damage, and this guy also has a bunch more awakenings, not to mention better HP too (Although lacking RCV which is a bit upsetting).
I personally think the attacker subtype is better (And makes a ton more sense) but as they say, you win some and you lose some.
Fire dragons are becoming stronger though, especially with the addition of Freyr's dragon uvo.

Oh nice calculations, well hino obviously can't be a leader, so he would be a great sub to RGY or Wangren?

But physical...?

Expected Attacker?

Too bad, Kagutsuchi time

But now we can Goemon or Dark Izanami with a king bublie and have some fun.

including his leader skill

Chances are if you can beat Legendary Seaway to get Wangren to even evo Kagutsuchi, Legendary Earth shouldn't give you that much more trouble.

Its an interesting idea nonetheless, but I can't see that many people getting use out of it.

Ya, I mean, it was mostly for myself because I like taking the safe route to beat dungeons.
I have beaten legendary seaway so I can uvo my Kagutsuchi to this, and I am nervous about trying Legendary Earth, so this would work out.
I just need some skill ups on my Nebradisk and I would have all the parts, but that would be a huge pain to do.

I don't really see a problem with that.
He's a high level monster, so he requires high level materials to get.

Wangren isn't particularly hard to get. Athena can mindlessly floor Legendary Seaway.

I tried something similar and the answer is no, the LS attack is considered "after the turn" hence the AS defence break is already over. Here is a related forum post.

http://puzzleanddragonsforum.com/showthread.php?tid=65730

"By the time hino's LS triggers the turn is considered to be over and the shield break dispels."

Yes to both although you should ultimate evo to Banishing Claw Byakko because she has the TPA to work with Hino's 3.

wow 548mil on just kaga

and all you need to do is get 20 combos. ;D

If I were you, I would replace Baby-Rodin with another Awoken-Hinokagutsuchi,
whose active skill is much more useful.

Although Hinokagutsuchi has lower ATK then Baby-Rowdin,
but the fire-orb-enhance awoken-skill sort of make up for that by slightly improving the whole team's damage output.

What does attacker typing do for him?

He would make A.Hino an amazing sub on a Sephiroth/Kenshiro/Levi team to make a 4 colour Dark/Fire heavy board.

Something like:

Sephiroth/Levi
A.Hino
A.Hino
Cao Cao/Jize/A.Hades
Claymore
Kenshiro/NY Horus

When I originally posted that comment I wasn't aware that Kenshiro's ult included Physical AND had a higher proc of 5 colour boards. And its coming from my issue of having a Rainbow Attacker lead without any Attackers with a board stabilizer active in the game.

Tsubaki

It's probably because Hino's awoken artwork is the only one in his series to not be facing the player.

Not devil though

Not be a dragon type?

His skill makes a Dark/Fire heavy 4 colour board. I could definitely find a use for this. Awoken Horus or especially Sonia Gran come to mind not to mention Vegito if he ever makes it.

First off, enhances don't stack so you can't have 1.5x Fire Attribute + Bubblie's Enhance.

Second, 20 combos makes it 6x stronger. The combo multiplier is:
base value * (1 + (number of combos x .25))

Third, no idea where you got "multiply by 2" from and also no idea where you got the number 500,000 to subtract. His skill reduces enemy defense by 75% meaning your example would only have 250,000 defense (which you somehow already mentioned despite the faulty math)