Shining Goddess of Secrets, Kali

Whatchu doin talkin bout me and my beans

Does your aunt live in Boston?
They read books about beans there.
And boys named Greg.

Teaching how to run a light kali team is like teaching how to sew.
It can be done, but do you really want take the time to do it?

Well said jerry.

boys, boys, let's not have another incident. shake hands and make up.

I'd appreciate the help, honestly. I'll be sure to keep a few beans on me, just in case. ^.^

well... that beanscalated quickly

Best padx username ever

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RIP Humor, you will be missed.

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Swiggity Swooty I'm comin' for the booty

DAT Booty Doe..... <3

i rolled and got the booty :P

Me too, twice.

As did I twice, along with her evil twin, too!

Who needs da booty when you can have hathor (aka milkshake goddess)

You tell them bro!

(Eventi if Hathor Teams extremely benefit by having Lkali lol.)
(and i just got this booty~)

I thought u needed hearts for the 49X for L/L Ra?

I don't like how they gave her Healer type... UmiYama uevo already got it. Durga is likely to get attacker or devil type in her Uevo, so why they couldn't give white Kali something like Balance or Dragon type? Hrm O~o
Edit: Just realised that the other Kali got Dragon type... So obviously Balance type would have been great. But oh well, maybe one day Balance will get his spike leader... ;)

There's G/L Genbu that can be a balance spike.

Green is still missing it's own 5x leader, and green hates blue so it makes sense... I guess we have something to look forward to in the next pantheons ;)

what the are you saying? these type of conditional leads without a recov or HP boost require stats just incase to stall, or recover from a pre-emptive. it's great Kirin gets a physical sub type, but for those of use without many +297s, physical Kirin teams HEAVILY lack recovery.
besides, your team could look like:
Kali
sandelfon
valk...or something else really
echidna
...any dark sub, maybe physical type for HP stats
and there, your recov, which is about 2524 without the last sub all max leveled, allows easier healing than a physical kirin team (sometimes)

Shining Kali + Hatsume = Kirin team win

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Referring to Horus haha

……what?

Or Ultimate Raphael

Fuma is probably one of the MUST want Lkali subs even if he isn't healer he's the perfect orb changer for her as well as giving them team a good HP boost.

I like that team. I might even sub out Chaos Venus for Zeus Stratios for 2 more TPAs (plus a nice gravity, assuming one somehow gets stuck in a dungeon for that many rounds), and LMeta for Zeus Mercury for one more TPA still.

LKali
LZL / 1656
LD Venus / Arthur
God Valk / Fuma Kotaro
Rei Sirius / Athena
LKali

Now if only I could get LZL/1656...

What Japan does right now is each GodFest they do rotations for which Special God gets the x3 bonus and which Special Gods don't get the x3 bonus.

Ah, yes! I noticed that. They switched up the featured Godfest exclusives in the middle of it, too - both excellent ideas. <3

Which suit her perfectly, she's kind of a dominatrix and this light version is just beautiful.

I'll take lolis over s|uts anyday

Kirin is more suited for dungeons where enemies summon jammer orbs, but Light Kali's actives are more useful in just about any dungeon. A base extra second to move orbs is helpful to both players who are good at matching orbs (allows larger combos to be made) and players like me who are spoiled by Red Sonia. Additionally, a whopping 4 TPAs for 2 Kalis is extra damage that nobody can complain about. Gravity is helpful, but only if you pair it with other skills or another gravity. Light Kali's active, however, guarantees procc'ing her leader skill and can be a saving grace vs monsters that love to convert orbs you need. Light Kali is considered the strongest x25 lead, as she is all-around spectacular.

It's best to take ratings on this site with a grain of salt, as voters will have their own reasons that are either unfounded or outdated. If you want a more accurate representation on how a card performs, it's best to read forum discussions/debates and see for yourself on YouTube (you'll yield more search results by copying and pasting the Japanese name in the search bar).

Except that she's not. The other main 25x leads (Kirin and UaY) have their uses and are better in some situations than Kali is. People are all about the TPA's all day long and all that but then they try to stall/tank a boss and find themselves getting jammed to death where as Kirin at least has a shot at resisting this. She's also better against Blinds.

Point of fact...I've done Hera Rush with both L Kali and Kirin and I'd rather do it with Kirin all day long. I wouldn't underestimate the utility of her awakenings...it's not as if Kirin has damage problems.

What I will say though is that unlike Kirin L.Kali has a lot of potential as a sub as well. When it comes to all around use I'd place L.Kali above Kirin in that regard.

I didn't say that one or the other is clearly better because, quite frankly, neither of them are CLEARLY better. The sheer startling amount of dungeons in the upper levels that are jam heavy makes me lean toward Kirin generally but L.Kali (especially if you can max skill her) is definitely an amazing lead. That being said I still do like L.Kali and in all around terms like her better if I could only have one or the other because L.Kali also has uses as a Sub.

L.Kali's active is better but at the very least if you run one Kirin you are generally using a friend Kirin as well which pushes bosses down to 64% hp between the two of them. That...is a lot of damage. It's enough damage that some bosses get pushed passed thresholds that can afford you an extra turn if you need it.

I really do like TPA's but Kirin also gets the 1 second boost and the jammer resist...and the blind resist...which I can't help but really like in this jam heavy environment. I have found myself getting absolutely destroyed by jammers lately and so I use Kirin instead.

L.Kali is by no means bad. I honestly think she's an amazing card and I use her quite often...I just think people saying that L.Kali is clearly the best 25x lead haven't been jammed in the face enough.

My singular main point was that Kirin is better in some situations than Kali is which is something you even agreed with. To me that pretty flatly states that L.Kali isn't "Clearly" better...clearly kind of implies you'd use one over the other no matter the circumstances.

I have yet to see a "u&y rape in sakuya mother" comment

You've been looking on the wrong pages. Try again.

So you can use one of the other x5 at the same time.

Fuma Kotaro's chance to shine

To make her a beast sub as well

Literally every other 5x...

U&Y, kirin, durga

The funny thing about Kali is that she actually does use wood.

Her leader skill uses fire, water, light, and dark.

And the player provides the wood.

Lol Same thing I said

Find an orb changer to get rid of wood. Besides Venus as a sub idk who you would use with her

What other 5x uses wood?

Well smart guy, sarvasti doesn't. Lol boom

Good idea but ronia isn't healer .if not ,75x atk will be so nice.

Or just the good ol' Kali and Fuma, which is on a much lower cooldown and actually HAS synergy with Kali (also each component works on its own whereas Ronia is completely useless without Supergirl durr).

Including it makes her a good sub for other leaders that need all the colors, like Ra

Gravity is only really used when your team simply cannot output enough damage to kill a boss. Double TPA and a built-in board changer pretty much negates the need for gravity and allows her to put out more damage than Kirin in almost every situation.

Kirin teams can get a 75x combo with physical subs, this one requires all healers to do the same.

Personally I don't use Bubblie for three reasons.

One, I can't afford the HP loss in the dungeons I'm using Kirin in. Extreme God Rush and Extreme Hera Rush have draconian HP requirements to live through preemptives. In most cases I have to choose between a monster that gives me some defense...or a bubblie.

Two, using a bubblie kind of restricts the subs I can use. I basically have to stick with physical monsters to get the most out of Bubblie which means I can't use L.Valk, L.Meta, or Echidna as subs really. All three of those are monster subs and even though I also have Apollo to mitigate the loss of L.Valk finding replacements for the other two that I have been comfortable with has been a chore.

Three, Kirin really doesn't have damage problems. People gawk at the 75x multiplier and go WOW that's a lot of damage but really it's superfluous damage all things told. There isn't anything I've run in to that Kirin can't kill as it stands so why would I add a bubblie for damage I simply don't need? Especially at the higher end dungeons I have found the game to be more of a balance between the damage you do and your ability to survive through the rest of the dungeon. What good is that 75x burst on a boss you would have killed with the 25x in the first place if you can't get to the boss to begin with?

In JP, the current skill up monster for L.Kali is Angelit. (Devilit for D.Kali)

But a Physical Kirin team would give you draconian HP. Kirin, Gigas, Heracles/Bubblie, Blodin, Okuninushi/GGY/Asgard/Zhang Fei, Kirin.

The good news? The team you suggested nets roughly 25k HP...enough to survive extreme god rush.

The bad news? The team you suggested nets you only about 1400 RCV which you simply cannot afford. It also still isn't enough to survive Hera rush without your entire team having +99 HP eggs. It also lacks any real orb change. It also doesn't have a real damage focus.

In short that team isn't really going to go very far. Kirin teams are simply very unlikely to hit the 31k HP threshold needed to survive Hera and instead will use something like a Kushinada instead. B Sonia can get away with just maxing out HP because she has a nifty 2.5x RCV LS that offsets the typically terrible RCV that Physical cards have. Kirin does not have that luxury.

Aaand that's where Sun Quan comes in. Healer with 2x healer attack AND delay. Delicious.

yup!

Yes to all but darkness/blind boards

So far I ran it 8 times throughout the day and got 2 angel and 6 devil. Bummer

How long is the temp skill change?

About a month.

Not bad. Personally, I'd rather diversify a bit and get a little more in the way of orb changers in there. You'll end up using your delays as changers quite a lot of the time with this team, so you might as well do that. Anything that can do that with two prongs will be your friend, especially double orb changers like Riders.

As for the Sun Quans, there's no reason to run green on this team. Unless you have him as a lead for anther team that you are just using as a sub, white is strictly better on this team for the TPA and extra time.

thanks for the feedback. i just realized i have a nice little venus in my box with her change the world skill which comes in very handy for a kali team. so this should be my goal now:

- Shining Goddess of Secrets, Kali (LEADER)
- Destroying Goddess of Power, Kali
- Soaring Dragon General, Sun Quan
- Love Deity, Chaos Venus
- Crimson Lotus Mistress, Echidna

better? :)

finally:

http://i.imgur.com/Jm7OLrd.jpg

now i need EXP & TAMADRAs...

Leader skill applies to the whole team so long as the 4 listed elements (Light, Dark, Fire and Water) are attacking. As for a team, it doesn't sound like you'll be able to make a proper healer based team so go instead for something with TPAs along with Echidna for delay.

Not knowing what you have I can't say what would be good choices for subs for you but anything that converts wood orbs will be helpful with her active skill, anything that converts heart orbs (besides wood based) will help when not using her active, TPA awakenings will be useful to work with hers and Echidna is a nice safety net.

LKali/Verche are better than Echidna because Kirin is based on a light focus team and the orb change would work wonders. They both outclass Echidna on a Kirin team in both stats and synergy.
The only issues you will have are that you lose the delay safety net that Echidna provides and it will cost you two of your four sub positions (though they are great subs).

I'm saying yes though, use Kali and Verche.

Just keep practicing. Those 4 or 5 attribute skills are some of the most powerful for a reason. That's why you dont see noobs burning down mythical descends. This game can be deceptively difficult.

Agree! I guess theyre trying to cater to a certain type of community... or if most weren't healers.

Why not use her as lead? Better offensive leadership.

You want to use L Kali as a DQXQ sub? Isn't that a little like owning a lamborghini but driving your ford fiesta everywhere while the lambo sits in your garage?

A healer 5x is appealing as of now because of Echidna and Sun Quan and the new healer ults. Plus most healers have low skill cooldown, while they are also supported by the orb changer Valkyries, Mitsuki, and Fuu for the elemental team requirements. On the other hand Sakuya has mini gravity and physical teams have higher HP but low recovery so there is no room for errors. In my perspective, I say that the healer 5x is more safer due to double delays from the ones mentioned above and various turn based power ups such as SQ, Sandalphon, and of course King Shynee. Its just up to your playing style... and .. oh..this isn't even her final form yet.

not sure why people are downvoting this.. how many full board orb changers can you find? and how many times have you get orb trolled using guys like kirin and ra? why can't this be a sub. i even use my l-tron as a sub since her skill is life saving.

agree, she would fit perfectly onto my team.

The lead skill is harder to activate. I'd rather use Kirin if I'm gonna use a bigger lead bonus. Helps that she's healer to gives some Sun or Shynee options.

I'd probably use Sandalphon in her stead if i had it. def/burst in the place of a delay. should work in most instances, and better in some.

Those pages where people spam friend requests are almost universally for older monsters.

I rolled her, lol. I timed a few things well, waited to unlock challenge mode until the godfest started, stormed through all the easy dungeons again, got a ton of stones, and got her. Had saved up a lot of stones, avoided challenge mode, so I wouldn't give into the temptation on the DC REM, which would have been horrible, this godfest was great to me
GrOdin
Dark Metatron
This god
A few other mentionables, but these three stole the show!

Not only does her active get rid of hearts, it also ensures that there are at least three orbs of all colors that are changed to. So it _guarantees_ a solvable board that will activate her Leader Skill.

That's the main power behind Active Skills that change the whole board into a few colors - they _guarantee_ at least three orbs of each color involved.

I personally prefer her dark form, but can understand the hype for this one: her awakenings are fantastic, providing two two-pronged attacks (you can see the damage that can do by looking at the typical GZL team), a skill boost, and .5 extra seconds to move orbs. Additionally, she has a healer sub-typing, making her compatible with light healers, which have become extraordinarily more powerful recently.

As a sub for typical healer teams, her active is a bit strange and seems more like a pseudo board refresh, as it removes heart orbs and includes dark orbs, meaning you'll have to use it in conjunction with other actives to create a fully desirable board. However, as mentioned earlier, her awakenings provide healer teams with a much welcomed 2PA (two, at that) and time extension. As a sub for herself, she's spectacular, as we can see by viewing luxury builds on youtube.

I'm hoping for Dark Kali, but definitely wouldn't mind getting this one.

Kirin, U&Y have the same style of leader skill and see extremely heavy use. People love on L Kali because she's a 5x orb matching lead with an LS that really assists with burst and has amazing awakenings. Now I still prefer my Kirin because I have a soft spot for her and prefer her teams but 5x leads are the ones that are generally used in upper level end game because you need that 25x multiplier to get things done AND they can be reliably activated.

They have a high skill cap, yes, but when you really learn how to play them you find yourself automatically minimizing your orb trolling chances. You clear off extra orbs you don't need on TOP of the activating the LS. This means that you really need to pull of a 5 or 6 combo nearly every turn which new players simply aren't capable of doing consistently.

Are these good leads for new players? Not particularly. Are they all really good leads regardless? Yes, once you learn them they are basically unbeatable.

lol, you're level 152 probably higher bc not everyone updates there profile that often like mine says 184 i'm now 242 and you don't understand the need/desire for LS multipliers...that's what orb changers are for also, you put them on your team if you suck at setting up boards or are scared of the orb trolls. it's a risk/reward game and many high end descends require teams like this. considering she gives you a 100% chance of activating her LS which you would most likely use on final boss or if you're going to die unless you activate her LS i'd say she's 1,000 times better than all the other multipliers out there right now besides dark form kali and kirin which i've been using for awhile now to do pretty much every descend unless godin/ama is possible. i mean she even has 2 2pronged attacks and a skill bind block cmon what more do you need. she's a great leader or even sub for most teams. but i do agree she shouldn't have been highest pick for players choice because it should have been dark kali

Right, but assume you max her skill (huge assumption, but assume)...so you are guaranteed to be able to utilize her leader skill once every 7 turns. Odds of getting orb trolled in between those turns seems pretty high to me. I just think she's a little bit overrated considering her active skill is "You get to use my leader skill." One man's opinion, not sure she should be the most desired for player's choice.

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inb4 they release a completely nude monster a few months from now

I do not think that "obsolete" is the best word to use, as U&Y can still clear nearly every dungeon.
This girl may have gotten the good parts of both Kirin and U&Y combined, and can possibly be stronger than both of them, but it's rather insignificant when they can clear the same dungeons. dunsparce

Thing is Kirin will never be obsolete. Aquaman just dropped and he has the perfect slot on a physical Kirin build. The swordsman just dropped, too, which creates lights orbs and reduces binds. There have been great additions who have found homes on Kirin teams. She's ridiculously powerful and her awoken skills are amazing. And she has gravity. Yea I don't see her becoming obsolete lol.

It's worth noting that U&Ys active will lead to more blue/green concentrated boards, which as long as there are light/dark orbs is waaaay better for him. Based off their active and nothing else, U&Y will probably do more damage because of the heavier blue.

Enhanced orbs don't do much in the grand scheme of things, although I agree with you on the wood subpool part.

However, even as a U&Y user I won't deny that L/Kali is largely superior. Her stats are more respectable and her awoken skills better (give me the skill bind resist over the orb enhance any day.) That, and she STILL has double prong and a skill boost, the best of U&Y's awoken skills. Main advantage of U&Y is the orb change skill, which is generally more reliable than L/Kali's even though it generates only two of the required colors.

For now U&Y is still good, but I pray that I can get something like this within the next few months. By then the power creep should have rendered U&Y (and thus Kirin) the new "Horuses", combo gods which will by then be largely obsolete.



Edit: Well, just rolled 2 L/Kalis with the stones I've saved up (and still with no IAP.) Problems solved :)

Well I guess the same happened to Horus, but did the buff even do much to him? Not really. It's not like he magically got some two prongs to go with his attacker subtype.

No but my cao cao team hits like a freight train now that i have horus with his 2000 attack enhancing the board every 10 turns (until i skill up more)

Umi/yama teams are still good!

Unlike kali, they allow really good wood monsters such as artemis or odin.

Even though both monsters have 2 two prong skills, umi/yama has 2 enhanced orb skills, giving you a high chance to get enhanced orbs to go along with the two proc!

Kirin just keeps getting outclassed by newer gods. Luckily for her, she still has a very good awoken skill set that prevents her from dropping to "Horus status". However, keep in mind that monsters like L/Kali just do "everything" Kirin can (and more.) If enough of these monsters are released, the Kirin will just drop in usefulness (she already has since she doesn't have two prong.)

Kirin will just get a buff if that happens

I don't love a girl through looks.
I love a girl through personality.

Your feelings towards that Byakko of yours makes me question the validity of your statement.